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Only lower class girls become nurses

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upsidelow · 27/08/2024 09:26

I am a nurse, definitely from a working class background for which I am proud. I had it said to me that it's the poor or thick girls that become nurses. To be fair the person who said it did not know that I am a nurse but still...Is that what people think? That you don't need to be clever to be a nurse! I studied for three years, I also have post graduate qualifications too. My job is demanding and requires a lot of time and attention. I am not thick! Apparently bright girls being teachers...

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Prriorayingly · 27/08/2024 10:45

I’m a nurse. All my A levels and GCSEs are grade A. I have a diploma in nursing, a degree in public health and a post grad in teaching.

AuCo44 · 27/08/2024 10:47

I am a nurse. I am neither thick nor lacking in class. Nor are my colleagues. We are educated, highly skilled professionals, not doctors' handmaidens.

Comparing teachers to nurses is ridiculous, they are completely different careers.

Saying nurses are failed doctors is insulting and silly.

"Smart enough to be a doctor, chose to be a nurse."

Moveonward · 27/08/2024 10:50

As I’m sat here trawling through work towards my MSc dissertation I can only raise a wry eyebrow! Nursing is incredibly complex and to progress you need further qualifications and training on top of an undergraduate degree.

I might be biased but it takes a special person to have the compassion and empathy to nurse but also the knowledge, skills and academic ability

askmenow · 27/08/2024 10:50

TheShellBeach · 27/08/2024 10:22

I trained in the 1970s in a London teaching hospital.

The vast majority of us were definitely middle class, or upper middle class. Three of my set were the daughters of aristocrats.

I think that was usual in teaching hospitals then.

Me too, trained in the 70's. London teaching Hosp and 3 "A" Levels to get onto the course.
Got me away from home into the big wide world, living in accommodation, a salary and ongoing education. A great life and very much MC.
And a great diversity of nationalities from all across the world in our intake.

disdisdisisgood · 27/08/2024 10:52

What an awful thing to say! I do however think that middle and upper class girls are given 'tighter' careers advice. By that I mean they are guided towards careers that pay well and aren't so physically and emotionally demanding. Nursing I one of the toughest jobs out there - particularly regarding the impact it could have on your personal life.

BunnyLake · 27/08/2024 10:52

That would never have occurred to me. Nurses need to know so much, to deal with many different situations promptly and intelligently. Thick is the last thing a nurse is (or should) be.

Wineandrun · 27/08/2024 10:55

I’m a midwife, I went to a private boarding school, have two masters degrees and a PhD. I’m not thick. I am however compassionate, caring and had no interest in being a doctor. The role of nurse/ midwife and doctor aren’t even comparable.

KimberleyClark · 27/08/2024 10:55

askmenow · 27/08/2024 10:50

Me too, trained in the 70's. London teaching Hosp and 3 "A" Levels to get onto the course.
Got me away from home into the big wide world, living in accommodation, a salary and ongoing education. A great life and very much MC.
And a great diversity of nationalities from all across the world in our intake.

My brief experience of nurse training in the early 80s wasn't in London. Perhaps you get a different demographic there. There are teaching hospitals outside of London.

Sandwichgen · 27/08/2024 10:55

at my grammar school in the 1970s, it was truly the only profession ever mentioned to me or my sister. We were solid middle class I think. She is a doctor, I’m a chartered accountant. No thanks to school

TizerorFizz · 27/08/2024 10:56

As only 38% of young people start out on degree courses, by definition nurses aren’t thick. I think some could do more and do. There’s a decent pay grade at the top end.

My concern is those who get stuck at the drudgery end. I cannot think of any great nurse when DM was in hospital for 6 weeks. Very few advanced skills on the elderly patient wards. No idea about even chatting to parents. Catheter stuck in and lots of poor practice. I’m sure other nurses get on and are wonderful. I’ve not been in hospital myself to find out recently but when I was, 20 years ago, it was a doctor who researched what was wrong. I had a bed on a ward with mostly elderly patients. It was atrocious with an unkind shouting nurse! Obviously not happy! I complained. Those poor elderly patients!

Danfromdownunder · 27/08/2024 11:00

Nurses are all National Treasures ❤️ When I’ve been in hospital the face I want to see is a nurse. They work so hard, weekends and holidays without complaint. They’re worth their weight in gold.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 27/08/2024 11:03

Personally I’d treat such a stupid, ignorant comment with the contempt it deserves.

Toastghost · 27/08/2024 11:05

I am all too familiar with that attitude… don’t listen.

Guardian12 · 27/08/2024 11:05

It’s a skilled job often done in pressurised circumstances. Don’t know why there is snobbery about it. I went to school with a girl whose father was a surgeon. She wanted to be a nurse and her parents forbid her from becoming one, basically threatening to cut her off. No other reason but snobbery.

Jellybeansweets · 27/08/2024 11:05

What an awful thing to say! Do these people know how difficult and emotional nursing is? I’m not a nurse but work in healthcare, it’s baffling when people say this. I have so much respect for nurses!! Ignore the silly comments, most of us respect you so highly.

x2boys · 27/08/2024 11:05

TizerorFizz · 27/08/2024 10:56

As only 38% of young people start out on degree courses, by definition nurses aren’t thick. I think some could do more and do. There’s a decent pay grade at the top end.

My concern is those who get stuck at the drudgery end. I cannot think of any great nurse when DM was in hospital for 6 weeks. Very few advanced skills on the elderly patient wards. No idea about even chatting to parents. Catheter stuck in and lots of poor practice. I’m sure other nurses get on and are wonderful. I’ve not been in hospital myself to find out recently but when I was, 20 years ago, it was a doctor who researched what was wrong. I had a bed on a ward with mostly elderly patients. It was atrocious with an unkind shouting nurse! Obviously not happy! I complained. Those poor elderly patients!

I worked on an elderly dementia ward as an RMN ,there are ,good ,bad and indifferent nurses
But the ward i worked on was physically very demanding and as a nurse with all the huge amount of paperwork there simply wasent the time to spend time chatting with patients

My son was very ill lsst year and was in hospital four weeks ,he was in intensive care for three weeks and his care was exceptional and the nurses were all highly trained and really knew their stuff
When he was s moved to a general ward the care was more hit and miss but I can understand the turn over of patients was probably a lot faster and staff just didn't have the time to spend loads of time with patients

Scenty · 27/08/2024 11:19

My DD wants to be a nurse, we would
be considered reasonably well off and I think it’s a tough, badly paid career. However she feels quite strongly about nursing rather than medicine. It never occurred to me that this would be a class choice.

Genevieva · 27/08/2024 11:19

Nursing uses to be an upper class profession. Look at Florence Nightingale and her nurses in Crimea and St Thomas’s or the women who became VAD nurses in WW1. Nursing and art college were the two acceptable options for a young lady leaving school. If they are going to get caught up on archaic ideas like social class, then they are wrong! As well as rude, obviously. Nursing is one of the most important jobs in any functioning society.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 27/08/2024 11:21

that's ridiculous. I have several friends who are nurses and they are almost all very intelligent women. You have to have a degree to be a nurse these days.

Panackelty · 27/08/2024 11:22

Unbelievable, I have never heard nurses referred to like this and often go to talk to a specialist nurse over the GP. I would say the problem is with the type of person who said this to you?

Elizo · 27/08/2024 11:22

No not at all. Person is being ignorant.

Elleherd · 27/08/2024 11:24

In Seacole/Nightingale's days nursing was often a Lower Class woman's trade with LWC class girls working alongside, and a fair amount of prejudice towards them as little more than drunks, drug abusers and prostitutes, unless they where members of a religious order, which made them 'angels.'

One of the reasons WC and LWC girls went into service even though less well paid and harder lives, was their reputation was superficially better protected as their employers were considered responsible for their morals, unlike nursing.
Nightingale set about changing who went into nursing, hierarchies, and how they were seen, including the protection of morality, and the continuation of class and race structures.

@upsidelow your title says Lower Class girls, your post says poor or thick girls. Obviously it's all a load of rubbish, but why are you equating coming from LC as being poor or thick? I doubt most on here know what LC is any more, and expect LC to want to aspire to be 'respectable' WC to align with their values.

Plenty from LC are neither poor nor thick, but far less likely to go to uni, unlike WC or MC.

Back in the 1960's when what education and exams girls had, started to come into play; auxiliary nurses were mainly drawn from LC and WC, The LC AN's generally didn't have exams and remained AN's working hardest and being paid least. The WC girls quite often had CSE's and more choices open to them.
Registered nurses had to have O levels and tended to be MC / LMC.

Early 60's nurses were only allowed to speak to Matron or Sister when addressed by them. A standard nurse was not supposed to speak to Dr's unless Matron specifically told them to. These were the hangovers from Nightingales days.
Then shift patterns started changing to allow married women to remain in nursing. Male nurses (rather than attendants) became a thing.
Changes were made to bring SEN (state enrolled nurses) onto the register with RN's (registered nurses)

Later in 2000's it became a degree entry carer and patient care often (not always) suffered as a result.
Nowadays if you're lucky you get a well educated, smart, nurse who genuinely cares about their patient, and is allowed to look after them.

Most these days are from middle or working class, but there will always be outliers.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 27/08/2024 11:25

That’s rubbish! I know of one posh (upper class) friend who partly because her stepfather was a hospital consultant went into nursing. She’d not doing it now though.

I also know of a more middle class older sister of my best friend who trained as a nurse and is still in healthcare though not as a nurse.

A friend at my posh convent school trained to be a midwife.

kαλοκαλοκαιρι · 27/08/2024 11:27

Wow, the UK (assumption) really is poisoned by this ugly little classism obsession it has going on, even in this day and age. Would love to know this person’s occupation and would bank on it being something supremely less societally useful than nursing.

Anyway OP thanks for doing what you do. We’d be fucked without you.

Londontown12 · 27/08/2024 11:27

In my opinion I wud have thought a nurses job would require a person who was clever calm patient basically an Angel 👼 in my eyes !! It’s the same being a hairdresser thou most people think it’s for people that wasn’t clever at school it makes me laugh because u have to be clever to be a hairdresser it’s not just washing hair it’s science and maths angles !! It’s not easy at all and if you’re self employed you have to be an accountant as well !! I hope u made them squirm !!! X