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To ask you what you think her motive is?

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Truedot · 25/08/2024 19:43

I’m due my first baby later this year. I have had a difficult relationship with my sister since we became adults. She went through a phase of being extremely manipulative- mind games, lying, trying to turn our parents against us in order to favour her and her family and made my life and our other sibling’s quite difficult, for a period of a few years. Our other sibling went very low contact with her as a result, feeling that she still looked down on them. It upset my parents too. Don’t get me wrong, she can come across as sanctimonious at times but I think all of it can be attributed to poor self esteem and a need to compare herself to others so I myself don’t want to ever step away from her fully as I’d like a relationship ultimately and she says she would too.

Things seem to have evened out in the last 6 months and she seems more like the version of herself we used to know, much to my relief. She has taken an interest in my pregnancy and seemed excited. However, over the past few weeks my parents have been helping us prepare for our new arrival- helping decorate the nursery, storing some of baby’s things at their house, talking about Christmas plans with all the family.

This seems to have triggered some jealousy in my sister. I’m not sure why. (They did all of this for her as she had their first grandchild, nearly 3 years ago now). She keeps repeating things like, ‘mum and dad must love you so very much’, and ‘you must be feeling so grateful towards them’ and just weird, almost guilt-tripping comments like this.

From what I can gather she hasn’t particularly enjoyed parenthood herself and has found it very hard. Whenever I reach out to chat to her lately about anything; funny things DN has done, weekend plans etc she will consistently divert the conversation back to me and make a comment like ‘not long until you’re off work being controlled by your new boss’ and ‘very soon you’re going to have a real life human being to take care of, permanently’

It all has started to seem a bit doom-casty and as though the intentions aren’t very nice. I am under no illusion that motherhood is far from a walk in the park, and that I have it all to come, but she is making these types of comments every day now. She has also said she is ‘so surprised’ I’d be going back to work before 12 months, because in her experience people don’t have a baby until they’ve saved enough to be able to afford a ‘proper’ maternity leave and she can’t imagine having to go back and leave such a tiny baby. She was fortunate enough to become a SAHM which is most people’s dream. I will be going back at 10 months FYI, baby will go to childminder part time and be with myself or DH for the other days. Just can’t afford the year.

What is her motive here? Could she think she is being helpful and trying to ‘prep’ me for it or do you think she’s projecting her experience on to me? Talking to her is making me fed up but I don’t want to take a step back because I sense her own self esteem and mental health might not be great atm.

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TemuSpecialBuy · 25/08/2024 19:47

Honestly, who cares? And what does it change?

she doesn’t wish you well and doesn’t want the best for you.

honestly I’ve never felt as vulnerable in my entire life as when I had my first child. I was very unprepared for how vulnerable it makes you.

your really really need to prioritise yourself not her…

I’d be giving her a veryyyy wide berth and focusing on your baby, your husband and people who care about you

Truedot · 25/08/2024 19:53

TemuSpecialBuy · 25/08/2024 19:47

Honestly, who cares? And what does it change?

she doesn’t wish you well and doesn’t want the best for you.

honestly I’ve never felt as vulnerable in my entire life as when I had my first child. I was very unprepared for how vulnerable it makes you.

your really really need to prioritise yourself not her…

I’d be giving her a veryyyy wide berth and focusing on your baby, your husband and people who care about you

Edited

I think I don’t want to immediately assume the worst of her but I do sense you’re right. It’s making me feel crap now, which isn’t the headspace I need to be in. I just feel guilty for her if she is not in the best of places so don’t want to walk away entirely but maybe it’s not my problem!

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TemuSpecialBuy · 25/08/2024 19:59

She has a husband and parents at a minimum who she can “lean on”

no women needs to be “leant on” after giving birth to their first child.

separately congrats! If you aren’t doing nct or bump and me or one of those other annoying prenatal classes do go to something like Hartbeeps baby class it will help you meet other first time mums in the area.

2 or 3 nice mums are all you need for mat leave.

also my kids bloody love our CM and it worked out brilliantly for us so ignore her about the childcare thing too
💐

Saz12 · 25/08/2024 20:05

Have you had the "you know its not a little doll that ypu can dump in a corner when youve had enough?" comment yet? Just wait,.Big Sister will say ot soon. Xx

XChrome · 25/08/2024 20:10

Your siblings who went low contact with her were right to do so. I'd suggest you follow their example.
I can confidently predict that after the baby is born she will try to make you feel inadequate as a mother. She sounds extremely toxic.

Truedot · 25/08/2024 20:33

Saz12 · 25/08/2024 20:05

Have you had the "you know its not a little doll that ypu can dump in a corner when youve had enough?" comment yet? Just wait,.Big Sister will say ot soon. Xx

Haha no not yet!

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Truedot · 25/08/2024 20:34

XChrome · 25/08/2024 20:10

Your siblings who went low contact with her were right to do so. I'd suggest you follow their example.
I can confidently predict that after the baby is born she will try to make you feel inadequate as a mother. She sounds extremely toxic.

I worry you’re right. It seems to be that she wants other people to experience things like she did, so if she found something hard she will want me to too. That’s how she is with other things in her life so I assume it will translate to this. I’m already feeling nervous about whether we’ll manage (of course we will) but just normal first time mum wobbles I guess which I think could be worsened by her behaviour, which I definitely want to protect myself from

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theduchessofspork · 25/08/2024 20:37

Keep her at arms length.

Who knows what her motive is, but she doesn’t sound like a good person. You need to protect yourself and the baby. She might calm down, but have clear boundaries in place.

XChrome · 25/08/2024 20:38

Truedot · 25/08/2024 20:34

I worry you’re right. It seems to be that she wants other people to experience things like she did, so if she found something hard she will want me to too. That’s how she is with other things in her life so I assume it will translate to this. I’m already feeling nervous about whether we’ll manage (of course we will) but just normal first time mum wobbles I guess which I think could be worsened by her behaviour, which I definitely want to protect myself from

Yeah, you probably shouldn't share any of the normal apprehensions about impending motherhood with her lest she weaponize them against you.
At any rate, congrats on the baby.

Truedot · 25/08/2024 21:03

XChrome · 25/08/2024 20:38

Yeah, you probably shouldn't share any of the normal apprehensions about impending motherhood with her lest she weaponize them against you.
At any rate, congrats on the baby.

Thank you x

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Crazycatlady79 · 25/08/2024 21:06

She sounds bitter, insecure and jealous. Not necessarily a bad person, but not someone you want around when she's being so unsupportive.
Have you challenged any of her shitty comments?

cigarettesNalcohol · 25/08/2024 21:22

It's not your job to fix her self esteem or mental health issues. Take a step back.

Truedot · 25/08/2024 21:29

Crazycatlady79 · 25/08/2024 21:06

She sounds bitter, insecure and jealous. Not necessarily a bad person, but not someone you want around when she's being so unsupportive.
Have you challenged any of her shitty comments?

I wouldn’t feel comfortable to because it would be met with derision and ‘just you wait’ or ‘you have no idea’ type comments which I don’t have a retort to and just make me feel small, because she has experienced it and I haven’t yet

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Scammersarescum · 25/08/2024 21:43

Truedot · 25/08/2024 21:29

I wouldn’t feel comfortable to because it would be met with derision and ‘just you wait’ or ‘you have no idea’ type comments which I don’t have a retort to and just make me feel small, because she has experienced it and I haven’t yet

Your experience may be completely different to hers.

I never longed for children, but having my son made me tougher, less vulnerable and he was a joy, he slept well from early, he wasnt grizzly. He even skipped the terrible twos.

I was very lucky, and I know that. I don't assume for a second it is going to be the same for other women and your sister shouldn't be assuming it will be hard for you. If anything she should be hoping it won't be and giving you encouragement.

Her word on motherhood isn't the final word.

No one can really know her motivation, but she's behaved badly in the past so be wary and protect your own feelings.

5128gap · 25/08/2024 21:56

If you want to keep her in your life physically you're going to have to find a way to keep her on the periphery mentally. She is obviously a difficult and complex person and we could all have a hundred guesses as to why she's saying these things and still not be right. Nor would it stop her. So the best thing you can do is treat her comments like white noise. Make non committal responses, let them wash right over you and don't dwell on them afterwards. It takes practise but if you can master it then it saves a lot of thinking time and/or the family drama of cutting her out of your life. Obviously if she escalates to outrightly offensive or hostile comments you may need to review.

autienotnaughty · 25/08/2024 22:26

I'd assume she's a bit jealous of the additional attention you are receiving and is trying to make you feel abit shit about your choices to make herself feel better

Thelnebriati · 25/08/2024 22:50

Have you heard about triangulation within relationships? Good boundaries and not getting drawn in to playing games will help you to manage her expectations.

www.choosingtherapy.com/triangulation/

sarahzbaker · 25/08/2024 23:12

Projection is a type of defense mechanism or means of coping. People may use defense mechanisms and unconscious mental strategies to cope with stressful or anxiety-provoking thoughts and experiences. When someone unconsciously attributes their thoughts, feelings, or behaviours to another person, they are projecting.
That's what my sister did to me. Awful.

Litlgreyrabbit · 25/08/2024 23:25

My interpretation is that she is (perhaps subconsciously) terrified that you are going to find parenting easier than her.

She is busily creating a narrative that you will find it hard, will have cause to be grateful for any help you can get, don’t know what’s in store, etc.

The stuff about “mum must love you very much” could possibly be her laying groundwork for a contingency plan if you DO find it easier than her (mum loves you more, helps you more, etc etc).

It’s very possible that she’s not doing any of this deliberately, her own psyche just cannot face the possibility that she might be shown up as a bad mum / struggling mum / worse mum than her sister, so is preparing a reality she can live with for her own sake, rather than it being anything about you per se.

If you want to keep the relationship cordial, I would limit contact to what you can cope with, and try not to let her see any extremes of emotion. Do not let her see joy, because she may try to sabotage it. Do not let her see misery because she may reinforce it. Just be as neutral as you can, and occasionally make admiring remarks or ask her advice, to keep her self esteem unthreatened.

nutbrownhare15 · 26/08/2024 04:42

I think you know the motivation already, she is jealous. Sibling rivalry is as old as time. I felt very jealous when my sister had a baby. Normally emotionally adjusted people can rise above it because they love the person and can put their emotional needs first, and appreciate that what they do isnt about them, a bit like a parent. Your sister clearly has trouble doing this because she has emotional problems. I'd keep at arms length and ignore the stuff she says which is designed to hurt you.

BetteDavisChin · 26/08/2024 05:20

Litlgreyrabbit · 25/08/2024 23:25

My interpretation is that she is (perhaps subconsciously) terrified that you are going to find parenting easier than her.

She is busily creating a narrative that you will find it hard, will have cause to be grateful for any help you can get, don’t know what’s in store, etc.

The stuff about “mum must love you very much” could possibly be her laying groundwork for a contingency plan if you DO find it easier than her (mum loves you more, helps you more, etc etc).

It’s very possible that she’s not doing any of this deliberately, her own psyche just cannot face the possibility that she might be shown up as a bad mum / struggling mum / worse mum than her sister, so is preparing a reality she can live with for her own sake, rather than it being anything about you per se.

If you want to keep the relationship cordial, I would limit contact to what you can cope with, and try not to let her see any extremes of emotion. Do not let her see joy, because she may try to sabotage it. Do not let her see misery because she may reinforce it. Just be as neutral as you can, and occasionally make admiring remarks or ask her advice, to keep her self esteem unthreatened.

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OP it seems to me that your self esteem is good, your sister's is not. For some reason she is trying to drag you down and make you doubt yourself as she doubts herself. She would deny it but I think she is an unhappy person.

@Litlgreyrabbit has nailed it

Greategret · 26/08/2024 05:29

I think your other sister had the right idea in being very low contact with her. Who knows why she behaves this way? It doesn't really matter because she in no way wishes you well.

AndSoFinally · 26/08/2024 11:03

She's probably struggling or not enjoying motherhood in the way she thinks she should. I would also guess she is regretting/isn't confident in her decision to be a SAHM. She is reinforcing to herself that's she's doing the right thing by pointing out all the things you are doing differently. As a PP says, she is also laying the groundwork for reasons you may do this better than she is eg more parental help/support, rather than it being (in her mind) because you're just naturally better at it.

Not nice, not much you can do about it. Deferring to her as the fount of all knowledge will improve her self esteem, but will make her crowing insufferable, so I wouldn't do that.

She just needs to live with her own decisions. Conversations around everyone making their own choices and all choices being equally acceptable may help a little bit, but honestly I'm not sure I could be bothered to massage her ego that much. Depends how much you like her and value her company I guess

Truedot · 27/08/2024 17:56

AndSoFinally · 26/08/2024 11:03

She's probably struggling or not enjoying motherhood in the way she thinks she should. I would also guess she is regretting/isn't confident in her decision to be a SAHM. She is reinforcing to herself that's she's doing the right thing by pointing out all the things you are doing differently. As a PP says, she is also laying the groundwork for reasons you may do this better than she is eg more parental help/support, rather than it being (in her mind) because you're just naturally better at it.

Not nice, not much you can do about it. Deferring to her as the fount of all knowledge will improve her self esteem, but will make her crowing insufferable, so I wouldn't do that.

She just needs to live with her own decisions. Conversations around everyone making their own choices and all choices being equally acceptable may help a little bit, but honestly I'm not sure I could be bothered to massage her ego that much. Depends how much you like her and value her company I guess

Thank you- you have described her well, you must be a really good judge of character. This would all make a lot of sense. I think maybe I need a toolkit of responses to the things she says and like you say to avoid going to her to seek advice

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