To ask for mornings only

Theleaveswillbefalling · 22/08/2024 13:24

Not always better.

Has he been to nursery? How did he manage? Did they raise concern?

You say he has speach delay. Has he seen SALT? Again what do they say? Has he has a hearing test? If

Do don’t need a referal to a GP you just need to ring up for an appointment.

Theleaveswillbefalling · 22/08/2024 13:25

But yes, you need to urgently contact the school SENCO.

Smartiepants79 · 22/08/2024 13:27

I doubt that school would agree to this without a bit of a fight. Children on part time timetables can be quite disruptive to the rhythm and routines of the class.
He will not be the only child who has been in part time nursery or preschool.
Some of them will have never been anywhere but home.
He will also not be the first child they’ve dealt with who has potential Sen or difficulties sitting still or listening.
I would expect them to say give him a chance. Send him and see how he gets on. If there are problems then they will see what needs to be done.

Bluevelvetsofa · 22/08/2024 13:32

Do they have a staggered start? Many schools do that and sometimes over several weeks, so if yours does, you might find that a gradual adjustment helps.

I second speaking to the SENCo and class teacher as soon as you can, to explain DS’s needs.

IgnoranceNotOk · 22/08/2024 13:35

Have nursery ever spoken to you about him?
They will also have given some info about him to his new teacher - our nursery had us sign that before it went up to the school so we know what they’ve put down too.

Definitely speak to the school, as a teacher I can promise you they’ll just be so happy you’re on board and want to work with them to do what’s best for him settling in.

Reception should start off very much as learning through play and small group tasks with an adult so he may be ok and the structure might be good for him.

x2boys · 22/08/2024 13:51

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 13:21

DS is 5 in November
He’s due to start school in 2 weeks
After acting manic in A&E last night the consultant who saw us offered to do a referral for the GP for ADHD and maybe autism.
I have known he was abit hyperactive and he has a speech delay but honestly had no idea how to access services
Im not sure he will cope with a full day of school as he only did 3 mornings of nursery a week. He can’t sit still and is extremely independent

Would it be wise to contact the school with my suggestions? Is mornings only a good idea to ease him into the routine? Thank you

I wouldn't be asking for just mornings ,speak to the SENCO ,if it's felt your son needs an EHCP etc in the future it's in your sons best interests that there is aa much evidence as possible and full days would be a better assess of this
I'm not sure why the consultant is referring you to your GP the community paediatrician would be more appropriate.

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RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 13:53

x2boys · 22/08/2024 13:51

I wouldn't be asking for just mornings ,speak to the SENCO ,if it's felt your son needs an EHCP etc in the future it's in your sons best interests that there is aa much evidence as possible and full days would be a better assess of this
I'm not sure why the consultant is referring you to your GP the community paediatrician would be more appropriate.

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I think that’s who the referral is for actually. I’m not sure about it all. It all seems a lot of info to process. So do I speak to school before he starts?

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x2boys · 22/08/2024 13:54

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 13:53

I think that’s who the referral is for actually. I’m not sure about it all. It all seems a lot of info to process. So do I speak to school before he starts?

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Yes definitely it's good to give them a heads up and they can also start assessments.

Kitkat1523 · 22/08/2024 13:58

What was he like at nursery?

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RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 14:03

Wild. Absolutely run riot but did improve towards the end

He hasn’t had much socialisation as he’s an only child. I also had extreme PTSD from almost losing him when he was a baby so have had a tendency to wrap him in cotton wool. Silly of me now.

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x2boys · 22/08/2024 14:05

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 14:03

Wild. Absolutely run riot but did improve towards the end

He hasn’t had much socialisation as he’s an only child. I also had extreme PTSD from almost losing him when he was a baby so have had a tendency to wrap him in cotton wool. Silly of me now.

Have nursery not raised any concerns?

CurlsLDN · 22/08/2024 14:11

Hi op, you can email the school reception FAO the SENCO.
explain that your son is starting this year, and although he hasn’t yet had formal assessments you are aware his behaviour can be difficult/wild/however you would describe it and this has been noticed by medical professionals who have suggested possible ADHD/Autism. Ask if they would be able to meet with you to discuss your observations and to see if they have anything they can put in place to support him transition into school.

this is a normal part of their job, and they will have tactics at hand that might help your son. It never hurts to put a child on their radar as they are overwhelmed with a huge workload so unfortunately those who shout loudest get the most support.
They will also be able to point you in the right direction to get support / an assessment etc as needed.

CurlsLDN · 22/08/2024 14:14

Also remember that in reception most schools don’t have formal desks and chairs, the children move around from activity to activity or sit on the carpet. The day is not yet structured into quiet lessons like further up the school, it’s only a step up from nursery not a complete change.
he won’t be expected to sit still and quiet from day one - hardly any of the children would achieve that!

Sirzy · 22/08/2024 14:16

I find it a bit strange that after a brief encounter in A and E a dr would make a referral.

Before that one encounter you were happy with the idea of starting full time? So why change that? Let him start see how he gets on, raise your concerns with the SENCO and class teacher and listen to any concerns they may have. Take it feom there

Kitkat1523 · 22/08/2024 14:16

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 14:03

Wild. Absolutely run riot but did improve towards the end

He hasn’t had much socialisation as he’s an only child. I also had extreme PTSD from almost losing him when he was a baby so have had a tendency to wrap him in cotton wool. Silly of me now.

So was he referred to senis by nursery? Can’t imagine they would have just left him to run riot?

Wishiwasincornwall · 22/08/2024 14:16

When my DS was 3 I was told by his specialists that he would not make it in a mainstream setting. School (attached to the nursery so knew of him) wanted him to atleast have the opportunity to try. We've just been to pick up his GCSE results and enrol on his college course.

Admittedly he didn't pass a single GCSE (but unlikely he would in a SEN setting either) but did well enough to get on the level 2 course he wanted and the college style of learning is way more in line with how he learns compared to school so high hopes he will pass and college are ready to support. He completed a 2 year princes trust course instead of one of his GCSE's which was aimed at life skills and employability. Being in mainstream he has far surpassed his expected social and emotional development and he is leaving school with skills to fully function as an independant young man in the future. All of this we were told he wouldn't be able to do.

We were ready to pull him from mainstream at any point if it was needed and agree that some children will need to go a different path but if that was the case I would assume nursery would have already started those conversations with you long ago. To me even though there were multiple bumps in the road along the way we had specialist involvement and fab support from primary and secondary school and we always gave him the green light to atleast try before we assumed he wouldn't be able to do. Something.

Kitkat1523 · 22/08/2024 14:19

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 13:53

I think that’s who the referral is for actually. I’m not sure about it all. It all seems a lot of info to process. So do I speak to school before he starts?

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Can’t imagine an a&e doctor would refer your child? …..Anyway now he’s school age it would be a school referral for potential ASD pathway….a gp wouldn’t do it….,and the waiting list are like 12 months plus ….and very unlikely to get an adhd referral before 6 …..just let him start school….they will pick up on any concerns and discuss with you if needed

TotHappy · 22/08/2024 14:20

It's fine to start part time. My son has no known sen concerns and I've said to the school I want him to start part time, mornings only after Christmas, working up to full time by Easter. He's not compulsory school age till the summer term. Yours isn't compulsory school age until the spring term so they actually can't refuse part time in September but of course you want to work with them, not set up an adversarial relationship.

Mine isn't wild but small for his age and gets really tired even on his 'long' nursery days so I just wanted to ease him in.

School were fine with it, Head agreed it sounded like a good idea.
Then if he doesn't settle after a month or so you can have a talk about echp and whether other support is needed to enable him to access full time.

Theleaveswillbefalling · 22/08/2024 14:45

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 14:03

Wild. Absolutely run riot but did improve towards the end

He hasn’t had much socialisation as he’s an only child. I also had extreme PTSD from almost losing him when he was a baby so have had a tendency to wrap him in cotton wool. Silly of me now.

Have you not already filled in forms for the school were they ask if there are any concerns and if you would like to meet with the SENCO?

A and E doctor can’t refer like this.

I’m amazed nursery hasn’t said anything.

You need to

leave a message at school asking to urgently speak to reception teacher and/or senco
make a GP appointment and attend with a specific list of concerns. Ask for a referal for a hear test and referal to assess for ASD/ADHD. Assessing for ASD/ADHD may initially be refused or take years
Look to see if you can self refer to SALT and don that. If you can’t then you will need to ask your GP for this.
Arrange an appointment for an eye test

@Kitkat1523 our GP did refer to cahms for ASD assessment but they rejected it because she wasn’t in crisis .

Theleaveswillbefalling · 22/08/2024 14:51

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 14:03

Wild. Absolutely run riot but did improve towards the end

He hasn’t had much socialisation as he’s an only child. I also had extreme PTSD from almost losing him when he was a baby so have had a tendency to wrap him in cotton wool. Silly of me now.

Sounds like his behaviour could possibly be a result of lack of socialisation and parenting style. Was his behaviour in A and E normal for him or was he over hyped and tired? I’m just wondering how you’ve gone from assuming he would be fine and having not already discussed any concerns with schools to thinking he won’t cope.

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RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 15:10

The dr was paediatrician as she was checking DS over for a rash.
She sent the gp letter as I agreed with her he exhibits symptoms of ADHD.

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FriendsDrinkBook · 22/08/2024 15:15

Definitely make an appointment with the sendco. My son is autistic and did 15 hours for nursery too , it took him a long time to settle in there. For his reception year in his new school the sendco agreed to a gradual start , we built up to full time by easter and he was happy and calm.

longdistanceclaraclara · 22/08/2024 15:20

I agree it's strange that the paed would make a referral after such a short interaction unless his behaviour is very extreme but then the nursery would have picked it up?

Absolutely take the referral though and talk to SEND lead before school starts if you can.

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RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 15:36

nursery never mentioned anything but he wasn’t there long
i have always thought adhd but have been somewhat in denial

he was crazy yesterday, definitely didn’t help that he was overtired and running mad like a little chimpanzee.

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Kitkat1523 · 22/08/2024 16:25

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 22/08/2024 15:10

The dr was paediatrician as she was checking DS over for a rash.
She sent the gp letter as I agreed with her he exhibits symptoms of ADHD.

So it wasn’t a referral….just a letter to gp…..so speak to them cos they won’t refer without your consent…..but in our area once kids at school then it’s a school referral only …..but your area maybe different……but an adhd diagnosis would likely be a good 18 months away if it’s medication you wanting