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What Rachel Reeves does next? Surprised no thread on this yet. It's all over Twitter

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Sharingsomewisdom · 21/08/2024 13:50

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13764547/Rachel-Reeves-mulls-tax-hikes-spending-squeeze-raising-rents-social-housing-Chancellor-sees-Government-borrow-3bn-forecast-month.html

Or am I the only one interested what she is eying next? Any comment on the reasonableness or otherwise of Rachel's next focus?

Chancellor sees Government borrow £3bn more than forecast last month

According to the Office for National Statistics ( ONS ), public sector net borrowing stood at £3.1billion in July.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13764547/Rachel-Reeves-mulls-tax-hikes-spending-squeeze-raising-rents-social-housing-Chancellor-sees-Government-borrow-3bn-forecast-month.html

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ChallahPlaiter · 23/08/2024 12:06

BIossomtoes · 23/08/2024 11:40

Social housing is heavily subsidised housing

It isn’t. And I have no idea where this idea comes from. Maybe someone invented it to suit their agenda.

Same as the idea that most or all social tenants receive housing benefits and repairs are entirely free rather than, as with the private sector, accounted for within rent. But why would anyone want to make that up? 🤔

Greybobblyowl · 23/08/2024 12:10

Rosscameasdoody · 23/08/2024 12:02

They’ve indicated their intentions from the start. Scrapping the WFP for those not in receipt of pension credit reintroduces cliff edge benefits - hundreds of pounds of support withdrawn if you’re 50p over the threshold. It’s fine saying that more people will be encouraged to claim pension credit but not everyone will be eligible.

So, no intention of lifting the 2 child UC element limit and scrapping household support fund will just be the start of everyone elses’ ‘contribution’ to balancing the budget. Next will be sickness and disability benefits - the intention to look closely at welfare and announce at the budget in October is a clear signal for that. And this is supposed to be the party of the people. Tories under a different name as far as I’m concerned.

I’m waiting for a government that will look just as closely at tax evasion by large corporations. Not to mention rich companies paying wages you can’t live on. So the tax payer steps in with UC and housing benefits - effectively footing the bill while they hand out obscene bonuses to their execs and dividends to shareholders.

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It is very much looking that way isn’t it - to stop the household support fund would be a big mistake I feel and will then push a lot of people back to food banks.

cardibach · 23/08/2024 12:14

no intention of lifting the 2 child UC element
This isn’t strictly true, is it @Rosscameasdoody ? They’ve said they would like to and will do so when it can be funded.
I might disagree with the daft ‘household budget’ system we seem to have adopted for our country’s finances, and therefore think it could be afforded now, but they have not said they have no intention of lifting it.

Prenelope · 23/08/2024 12:16

I don't understand why they aren't going after the super rich! Absolute madness

2dogsandabudgie · 23/08/2024 12:19

Prenelope · 23/08/2024 12:16

I don't understand why they aren't going after the super rich! Absolute madness

They need to stop companies like Shein and Temu from exploiting the tax loophole.

Beebopmoon · 23/08/2024 12:27

Rosscameasdoody · 22/08/2024 19:00

I wouldn’t wipe my bum on it !!

I wouldn't wipe my dog's bum with it.

EasternStandard · 23/08/2024 13:49

The energy cap going up and WFA ending, it's going to be tough for pensioners on basic state pension

Over the last few years we had payments to people, as expensive as it was

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/08/2024 13:58

askmenow · 23/08/2024 01:16

Like the "Boomers" paid off the war debt to the USA.... you're people conveniently forget that!

you're people

Who or what are you talking about?Confused

iwishihadknownmore · 23/08/2024 14:10

1apenny2apenny · 23/08/2024 08:50

I must admit I don't understand the more social housing obsession but maybe I just don't understand how it works.

Social housing is heavily subsidised housing. The more we build the more it will cost, this cost never comes to an end. Many people living in social housing have their rent paid by taxpayers through benefits. They expect to get things fixed and get a new kitchen every x years without any responsibility. If we keep going down this route we'll end up with vasts amounts of social housing and people will be stuck in a trap. I mean what's the incentive to move if you're getting g charged a lower rent and getting everything sorted for free?

It would be better surely to start to turn the ship so that more people own their own houses and are responsible for them. Developers do not want to build these houses (they are built at a lower cost and with no profit to them) and many people, if buying a private estate, don't want to live next to social housing.

We need to work towards being paid a proper wage without top ups and things like housing and a basic standard of living being affordable out of that wage.

We don't have a SH obsession, the UK builds hardly any of it, Housing Association properties isn't the same at all, its still in the hands of private companies, many of whom offer shockingly bad service and still charge high rents.

Instead we've effectively privatised Social housing, with tax payers money going to LLs at far greater rates then if we still used SH.

If we tried to cap rents for LLs, they'd sell up, leaving people without the means to buy with no where to live, putting more strain on councils to house them.
In fact a council near me has borrowed a great deal of money to buy up private housing to reduce the costs to the council of supporting families in temp housing etc.

Houses have a minimum cost, the more we build, the greater demand on land, materials, planning and workers, which then increases that min cost.

SH means lower rents, lower rent support but perhaps just as importantly, it means people have more money in their pockets, so less need for in work benefits and more money to spend in the local economy too.

People can still move around the country as they did previously, with council house swaps.

Miley1967 · 23/08/2024 16:18

I think there will likely be loads more cuts. The government have to pay out billions in compensation schemes for the infected blood scandal, the waspi women compensation and the post office scandal. Where is the money for all these compensation schemes coming from ? The future looks incredibly bleak. Savings from scrapping the WFP for pensioners is just a tiny portion of money that needs to be found.

BIossomtoes · 23/08/2024 16:24

Miley1967 · 23/08/2024 16:18

I think there will likely be loads more cuts. The government have to pay out billions in compensation schemes for the infected blood scandal, the waspi women compensation and the post office scandal. Where is the money for all these compensation schemes coming from ? The future looks incredibly bleak. Savings from scrapping the WFP for pensioners is just a tiny portion of money that needs to be found.

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Fujitsu should be footing at least part of the PO compensation bill. And NHS insurance should cover the blood scandal. As a WASPI woman, I wrote off any possibility of compensation long ago, we were never going to see a penny.

iwishihadknownmore · 23/08/2024 19:48

Miley1967 · 23/08/2024 16:18

I think there will likely be loads more cuts. The government have to pay out billions in compensation schemes for the infected blood scandal, the waspi women compensation and the post office scandal. Where is the money for all these compensation schemes coming from ? The future looks incredibly bleak. Savings from scrapping the WFP for pensioners is just a tiny portion of money that needs to be found.

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Yes i do wonder whether all we did on July 4th is swap one set of Tories for another.

Austerity seems to be alive n kicking in the Starmer Govt, hardly surprising considering the new Govt is stacked with very wealthy people.

The scrapping of WFA knowing the energy cap would increasing is beyond idiotic & listening to Miliband defending it made me want to throw something at the TV.

Who gives a fuck about Green targets when over 48 oil terminals are on fire in Russia/Ukraine at the moment.

JenniferBooth · 23/08/2024 20:52

1apenny2apenny · 23/08/2024 08:50

I must admit I don't understand the more social housing obsession but maybe I just don't understand how it works.

Social housing is heavily subsidised housing. The more we build the more it will cost, this cost never comes to an end. Many people living in social housing have their rent paid by taxpayers through benefits. They expect to get things fixed and get a new kitchen every x years without any responsibility. If we keep going down this route we'll end up with vasts amounts of social housing and people will be stuck in a trap. I mean what's the incentive to move if you're getting g charged a lower rent and getting everything sorted for free?

It would be better surely to start to turn the ship so that more people own their own houses and are responsible for them. Developers do not want to build these houses (they are built at a lower cost and with no profit to them) and many people, if buying a private estate, don't want to live next to social housing.

We need to work towards being paid a proper wage without top ups and things like housing and a basic standard of living being affordable out of that wage.

Yep SH is a real party

https://www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/news/24516896.witham-family-suffer-hell-flood-destroyed-house/?ref=socialflow&fbclid=IwY2xjawE1x8FleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHXAemaoboxITXSmybctzh2VElW-km3EU_1RpM-XAtqfsWeHhRoyCzZndkg_aem_HwphqBeF0hdnBSJjoZ8eSA

Witham family suffered 'complete hell' after a serious flood destroyed house

A family in Baker Way, Witham have suffered “complete hell” for ten months after their kitchen ceiling collapsed due to a dangerous bathroom…

https://www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/news/24516896.witham-family-suffer-hell-flood-destroyed-house?fbclid=IwY2xjawE1x8FleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHXAemaoboxITXSmybctzh2VElW-km3EU_1RpM-XAtqfsWeHhRoyCzZndkg_aem_HwphqBeF0hdnBSJjoZ8eSA&ref=socialflow

StrawberrySwitch · 23/08/2024 20:53

ilovesooty · 21/08/2024 13:56

I wouldn't be using the DM to forecast government policy.

Agree.

JenniferBooth · 23/08/2024 21:03

Oh and Rachel targeting SH tenants is really shit timing as the Grenfell inquiry report is due out.

This is on BBC sounds and is in 10 parts. Part 10 covers the attitude towards SH tenants which arent dissimilar to the attitudes shown in this thread by some posters. "why do you need money for clothes when clothes have been donated"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0022cpn

Grenfell: Building a Disaster - 10. The Final Act - BBC Sounds

What happened after the fire?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0022cpn

Sunsgoingtokeepshining · 23/08/2024 21:21

Prenelope · 23/08/2024 12:16

I don't understand why they aren't going after the super rich! Absolute madness

When you say ‘going after’ what do you mean? It’s east to trot out such sentiment, but what do you mean? Someone earns £500k a year, how much do they get to keep?

Sunsgoingtokeepshining · 23/08/2024 21:23

Miley1967 · 23/08/2024 16:18

I think there will likely be loads more cuts. The government have to pay out billions in compensation schemes for the infected blood scandal, the waspi women compensation and the post office scandal. Where is the money for all these compensation schemes coming from ? The future looks incredibly bleak. Savings from scrapping the WFP for pensioners is just a tiny portion of money that needs to be found.

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Why should the government pay anything to waspi women? The pension age rose. Deal with it. I will eat my har it the waspi women receive a penny.

nearlylovemyusername · 23/08/2024 21:26

@JenniferBooth
Whilst these people suffered, what do you think home owners do in such situations? if they own a house but don't have funds / capacity to deal with renovation? who is sorting this out for them? whom can they blame?

JenniferBooth · 23/08/2024 21:39

nearlylovemyusername · 23/08/2024 21:26

@JenniferBooth
Whilst these people suffered, what do you think home owners do in such situations? if they own a house but don't have funds / capacity to deal with renovation? who is sorting this out for them? whom can they blame?

Its a repair not a renovation and and if you cant afford to factor repairs in when buying a home then you cant afford to buy a home.

Tattletwat · 23/08/2024 21:43

JenniferBooth · 23/08/2024 21:39

Its a repair not a renovation and and if you cant afford to factor repairs in when buying a home then you cant afford to buy a home.

Fucking hell so you factor in every single possible future are you some sort of time traveler.

Nobody can prepare what may happen.

JenniferBooth · 23/08/2024 21:50

Tattletwat · 23/08/2024 21:43

Fucking hell so you factor in every single possible future are you some sort of time traveler.

Nobody can prepare what may happen.

EXACTLY Anyone can end up in social housing. It only takes a divorce bereavement or an accident.
Ah but thats not what you meant though is it. It never is.
And its all a lot of people can afford. If they are on low pay.

Tattletwat · 23/08/2024 21:57

JenniferBooth · 23/08/2024 21:50

EXACTLY Anyone can end up in social housing. It only takes a divorce bereavement or an accident.
Ah but thats not what you meant though is it. It never is.
And its all a lot of people can afford. If they are on low pay.

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And there is plenty of of people who have managed to get a mortgage and fall upon hard times and struggle but have to deal with it so your point is

Everybody struggles whether you own your home or not, to pretend not is stupid

nearlylovemyusername · 23/08/2024 22:05

@JenniferBooth

are you for real? you shared example of what you believe is awful life of SH tenants. I responded that anyone can be in such situation, but people who own their homes have to deal with this on their own. SH tenants blame and chase someone else.

Your response is "if you cant afford to factor repairs in when buying a home then you cant afford to buy a home."

Following your logic there shouldn't be any child benefits at all, right?

nearlylovemyusername · 23/08/2024 22:07

it's just these home owners can't receive SH (whilst paying taxes to support SH tenants)

BIossomtoes · 23/08/2024 22:12

Sunsgoingtokeepshining · 23/08/2024 21:23

Why should the government pay anything to waspi women? The pension age rose. Deal with it. I will eat my har it the waspi women receive a penny.

We won’t get anything, you’re right. That doesn’t mean we’re not entitled to compensation. The first change was fair enough, it provided at least 15 years notice, plenty of time to plan and recalibrate. The second change was scandalous, some women got just over a year’s notice that they would have to work longer. And the transition arrangements were farcical - I lost four months’ pension because I was born seven hours too late.

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