To think people like this should be imprisoned for life

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3 men found guilty of abusing children

There is no rehabilitation for people like this; they'd do it again if they could get away with it

Despicable. Those poor girls, I hope these verdicts bring them peace and a chance to move on.

Weird for the judge to say ‘juries always reach the correct verdicts.’ I’m sure they did in this case, but that’s clearly not universally true.

They should be castrated.

Since they haven't yet been sentenced, we don't know what their sentences will be. The indications are that they are likely to be substantial, as they should be.

I expect there will now be posts advocating torture and capital punishment.

Didn't have to wait long.

Honestly of humane castration resolved the issue, I’d be an advocate. Unfortunately it doesn’t. They just abuse in different ways.

Those poor girls.

@ilovesooty while being level headed is admirable, people are allowed to be angry. Angry people say angry things. They generally don’t head out with a rusty secateurs and carry out their threats.

You know a castrated man can still get an erection and rape?

Fair point, but I always think some people would if they could.

I don't care one jot about the welfare of these sick people. I hope the public never has to deal with them again. No excises.

My energy, effort, and money cares only for their victims.

I think anger makes people wish for those things. Maybe, even call for them in the heat of the moment.

Sometimes people mean it, some don't. I'm not sure you can't tell which from a forum post.

Doesn't matter, it's not going to happen.

My own view, is they deserve everything they get and more but I stop at a very lengthy prison sentence. I don’t like the idea of fighting monsters by becoming monsters and taking the life of another human is being is monsterous.

I'm not saying others have to agree. That's just how I feel.

There seems to be very little data on castration but I found this:

In Denmark in the late 1950s and early 1960s sex offenders were permitted to choose prison or surgical castration. Research on 900 castrated sex offenders showed that the rate of repeat offenses was low, about 5 percent. But 46 percent of the men said they continued to have intercourse.

We know child rapists aren't going to be locked up forever so personally if they're going to be let out anyway I'd rather they'd been surgically castrated.

PP's say castration doesn't work because you can still have sex but rape isn't about an uncontrollable sex drive, it's about power and violence - but when your testosterone levels are far lower, even if you can still have sex, I'd assume the angry, power hungry, dominating side of you is going to be reduced right along with your sex drive.

I agree.

After working in the prison system, I know for a fact that these men cannot get rehabilitated.

So many times men in prison for rape have been convicted of similar crimes before.

Chemical castration is such a simple solution and massively reduces the rate of reoffending and it costs the tax payers less money in the long run.

I don’t understand how in this day and age, chemical castration isn’t an option for anyone raping someone under 16.

Yes but the reoffending rate goes from over 50% to 0-5%

Its a huge difference and much more effective than a prison sentence (which they should also get).

I thought they were likely to rape with objects. That’s what I read research on, but it was a while ago.

If it’s not the case, then bring it on. It isn’t monstrous to remove the tool from a criminal.

Agreed.

Remove the balls, turn them into Eunuchs.

I'd rather see hugely increased sentences (per the OP's suggestion) than have the justice system start resorting to lopping off body parts to prevent reoffending.

For what? She's right.

I'm not an advocate if castration - though I'm sure I'd do the OP on some people if asked 🤔😂

However I do think as in the case with severe mental health there should be an order that they receive treatments and that should be forced to take medication that lowers sexual urges.

It would need to be injection and if they are released it's part of the condition (alongside a permanent tag) and if they fail to turn up it's back to prison.

I know that sounds draconian and people scream about rights but we section people with MH difficulties where they are unable to make decisions that keep them and others safe for their own sake. We incarcerate some criminals in MH secure units whereby they cannot manage their own thoughts and commit murder.

Why can't we treat this the same? Sexual feelings and abuse of children is obviously an illness and it can't be treated like many things. So we need to step up as a society and put safeguards in place.

And testosterone lowering injections are already available - they are used in some prostate cancers.

You don’t need to cut anything off.

Chemical castration is just an injection which reduces the amount of hormone produced.

Not that much different to women taking the contraceptive pill or injection, which affect the amount of certain hormones in the body.

I definitely agree with increased sentences too.

Why can't we treat this the same? Sexual feelings and abuse of children is obviously an illness and it can't be treated like many things. So we need to step up as a society and put safeguards in place

I don't agree.

It's obviously aberrant, totally unacceptable behaviour, but it's not an "illness".

Illnesses are conditions that otherwise perfectly well, healthy people succumb to, that respond to treatment, that you have a reasonable expectation of recovery from. These aberrant behaviours are the result of disordered personality, and those are not the same as "mental illnesses".

You're in danger of causing a conflation of two wholly separate things, and furthering misconceptions like mentally ill people being inherently dangerous.

Also, if you label paedophilia an illness, then there is a perfectly cogent argument that it should not be criminalised, because people do not have control over how and when they become "ill".

I struggle with a suitable punishment. I'm tempted to say a lifetime of hard labour/solitary confinement/bread and water. But that's surely not what a civilised society would have done. Is it? I don't know.

Certainly a life sentence but then that's a waste of public money imo.

Corporal punishment? No.

I don’t believe it’s a waste of public money, more like an acknowledgment that public money must be spent to lock people like this up for good. I don’t believe it’s possible to eliminate this aspect of society, so we have to resign ourselves to the necessary spending of funds to keep them away from the wider society.

Depends on how clumsy you are with the rusty saw.

I don’t think I would object to chemical castration. The kind of person who rapes a child isn’t going to be someone who’s just “misjudged” or made a “mistake”, they did it because they think it’s fine. I have zero sympathy, my sympathy lies entirely with the victims. Ideally extremely lengthy prison sentences would be the norm. Some people are just not safe to have in society.

Poor girls, no child should suffer this.

https://sotrap.psychopen.eu/index.php/sotrap/article/view/3667/3667.html

I consider rapists pretty fucking high risk, keep them locked up.

Xdown I get where you're coming from and I sort of agree.

But I think if we can detain people under the MH act because they can't make decisions to safeguard themselves and others (and that has included murdering them) and it's deemed they can't control their behaviour I'm wondering if we need to see lack of being able to control sexual urges towards children the same way.

So we then have the option to detain and treat them medically as a safeguard.

I'm not professing to have any deep understanding of the subject but I'm wondering if how we frame an action or rather the cause of an action gives us more freedom in how we respond? (Does that make sense?)

Again we can't just advocate for any medical castration because we don't like what someone has done and they've broken the law. We can however incarcerate them but only for set periods of time.

It's well understood people who commit CSA often cannot be rehabilitated easily and often through the judiciary system.

We do need to find a better way. This can't be allowed to keep happening.

This case isn’t like your ‘standard’ paedophilia though (I feel sick even writing that), it’s more akin to the Manchester grooming gang.