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Have I done the right thing? (Child arrangements proceedings)

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CatMum10 · 20/08/2024 01:28

New account as when ex finds out he'll go ballistic.

We've been separated over 10 years. He was abusive (very) and left me for someone else while I was pregnant. We have 2 DCs. At the time he emptied our account. I had left my job to bring them up. He took my voluntary redundancy pay and all my savings. I had no job and lost my house. I had no real support from friends and family after being alienated from them as he's one of those people who everyone seems to be against (in his head).

Some of the things he did to me were recorded such as the police taking me and DC to safety a few times and also a refuge offering me a place a couple of times but I never felt worthy of taking it. I was very vulnerable and he started harassing me...

Including but not only - calling social services on me every 5 minutes to thr point where they recorded it as malicious, going to DCs nursery to make comments about my parenting which is noted by them to be malicious, calling up places I went with our children like soft play centres and telling them to watch me like a hawk because I'm abusive. I only found out after the staff started following me into the ball pit and he made a joke about it. He thought it was funny. He ground me down to the point where my life was in tatters.

I applied for a non molestation order and ended up (due to my rubbish solicitor) only coming away with a prohibited steps but I also had to agree not to harass HIM! This was because he came to court saying that I had been calling him over 100 times a night. This was simply not true. I asked how can I tell the judge I haven't, and my solicitor said that I don't get to argue in court, only come to a mutual agreement and that he can say that but proving his document is a forgery is a lengthy process. She said it would be better to not admit fault but agree not to harass him so that he also has to sign the agreement to leave me alone. He made a complete mockery out of the whole thing I felt like nobody believed me.

I wasn't actually notified of the child arrangements hearing having moved because I lost the house. The consent order was granted naming him as the resident parent but stating he must ensure they spend at least 3 nights with me. The papers were updated to state I was not notof8ed of the hearing but says that as no injunction was in place that we have to attend mediation to change the order.

The thing is this man has been an utter bellend to deal with for a decade. He is still horrible and abusive towards me for having any opinion regarding our children. He has openly admitted to me and our DCs that he "didn't want kids" and just wanted the child benefit so he can work part time and still pay rent. They have always been with me at least 50% of the time if not more, and I pay for literally everything for them. I have receipts going back years that show he doesn't pay for school dinners, uniforms etc.

He shouts at me and gets nasty when I disagree with him. It's like I've shut down and just tread on eggshells constantly whenever I have to speak to him. But he IS wrong sometimes and I never know what to do. For example frequently not sending them to school because he's slept in. Their attendance is around 70%. The school have agreed not to fine me more than once as they know that it isn't me. He lies and says they're ill. His house is a tip. He took our DCs phone away because she sent photos of the rubbish all over the place and sent them to a friend as well as messages saying "help" when he was horrible to her. He was leaving DC9 on her own at night to walk to his girlfriend's house 1.5 miles away and I only knew because she rang me crying at 2am. I asked him not to leave her alone at night as if she's scared she's not old enough and he went ballistic and personally attacked me over my parenting. If they ever tell me anything concerning then they're liars. He insults their appearances and personalities in the same way he did to me but he's delusional about how he acts.

Recently they've both been crying and refusing to go back there. Youngest has thrown up a couple of times. She's been saying he's making her clean up constantly. For 3 months... she has said he is making her tidy her room every day. I've asked how untidy it is that she has to tidy it all day every day and she said there's boxes of toys and books from when she was a toddler (she's 10 now) that he was meaning to get rid of. I've suggested to him that she needs help organising things and he says "no she's just lazy" then punished her for telling me. She keeps saying that "daddy hates me" and I have to explain that isn't the case. Since she was about 4yrs old she was shouting "hide" when he knocked on the door. I have tried to ignore how much they don't like going to his house as it's in their best interest to spend time with him apparently.

Things came to a head on the weekend. He doesn't, by his own admission, take them to places very often. DC12 had arranged for her friend to stay over at mine but it was "his" weekend. He said it was fine. Then changed his mind while her friend was already here and said he would pick her up in the morning as his girlfriend wanted to spend time with DCs. I only saw this after waking up. I said that might be awkward as her friend is still here until teatime. He replied saying "you're taking the piss and he shouldn't have agreed to the sleepover, or something like that. He's never had an issue with them spending extra time at mine before. I said I would get them ready.

When I told DC she got really upset and made the following remarks:
"Bro can't afford to pay towards my haircut but he can spend £90 on tickets to impress his girlfriend"
"I'm not going and if he makes me go then I'll get my keys and just come back"
"I'm sick of him making comments about my appearance and I hate him anyway. Why does he want to take his fat, spotty, scruffy kid out for the day? To impress that's why"
"Mum do not let him take me from this house. Will you get in trouble? Because I haven't wanted to go back for ages and now he's literally given me an excuse"
... and so on.

Part of me feels it was a tantrum because her friend was here but then his reaction made me concerned. I messaged and said she said she doesn't want to go. Immediately he called DC and said horrible things to her and started screaming down the phone. I was not upstairs nor aware at the time but her friends don't like him (I'll explain below) and the friend who was over recorded him shouting at DC. After the call she burst into tears again and said that all he ever does is shout or abandon them when they're at his and he says all the time that he doesn't want kids and that we soon as they're 18 he's moving abroad (he's said this to me as well). She said that when he calmed down she said "love you" and he told her to piss off and out the phone down. She went pale and went to the bathroom to throw up. It was really embarrassing in front of her friend who was saying she doesn't know what to do when people cry but she recorded the call after the the last "angry dad incident". I asked what she meant and she said that a few months ago herself and DC went to his house after school to use the toilet and he went "mental" because there were plates of rotten food and rubbish everywhere and he said DC had done it on purpose to embarrass him. I don't want to get this child involved in a domestic so I brushed it off and didn't ask for the video.

He turned up anyway to get her and I get him in to speak to her, which I now feel was a betrayal of her trust as she only felt emboldened to stick up for herself if she had some kind of protection. He took her and left her friend at ours. She came downstairs with her period tracker open and crying saying she doesn't know why he's saying that because its not her totm. She said he blamed everything on her period and doesn't listen. While he went to the car she begged me to "do something" and said "don't worry about me, if he "gets me" about this I'll come to yours with [DC10]". I said we would talk when her friend's at home.

Before he did come to collect her he called me and the first words out of his mouth were "so let's get this recorded, you're saying you're refusing to allow me access to my kid, that's what you're saying, right?" I feel like he was already getting ready to fight me over this because I kept saying that it was DCs choice and she's old enough to decide where she wants to stay. He kept saying she can't decide for herself and is hormonal so whatever she says is irrelevant.

I've just had enough and I think they are old enough to decide. So I've applied to have the order changed. The thing is, I can't go to mediation with him, he's horrible to me and speaks to me like dirt. So in order to bypass the meeting about mediation I've had to explain all the previous abuse and concerns for their welfare like the mess in his house. I feel like this was underhand of me somewhat. I don't talk badly about people behind their backs or report people anonymously for things. I try to be honest but kind. He does have nice qualities and can be reasonable but only when he's getting his own way. I've had to put all the nasty stuff he did to me and continues to do and I just realised he will get a copy of the form and a chance to refute it... which is fair obviously. But it just hit home what it will be like reading that about himself and I'm scared of his reaction.

Things have been civil for a while but only because I have been bowing down to him and just agreeing even when I knew he was wrong. I guess I will seem devious and this will irreparably harm any future hopes of him being civil towards me, but I don't deserve to be shouted at over a difference of opinion and neither do our children!

I've asked for them to live with me and for them to spend time with their dad every other weekend and for him to address his anger and agree not to harass me over the application.

I feel sick because they're with him for a week now and he will get the paperwork before he's meant to bring them back. It came out on Saturday that he's been saying horrible things about me to our children. I told DC that I'd let her dad know she'd been sick and she said "he won't believe you, he said you made it up that DC10 was sick last time because you're mentally unwell and like the attention". So goodness knows what he's going to say when he reads I've told the court about the historical sexual abuse and coercion. He's not going to like it at all. I'm sort of terrified.

Thanks for reading my 1am thoughts. I think I just need someone to tell me I'm going the right thing because self doubt has always been my downfall.

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Grannywithnoplanny · 20/08/2024 01:49

You say this man has some nice qualities? He does not have nice qualities. 10 years after you've split up you've changed your name on this website giving the reason that he might go ballistic? There is absolutely nothing nice quality wise in the huge number of examples of him being a highly abusive arse hole that you have listed, and you say you are terrified. I'm not surprised. Speak to Womens Aid, you really need some proper support. Well done for taking action x

Paperweight7 · 20/08/2024 01:54

You are 100% doing the right thing!

I am actually in awe of you because you have had to put up with so much abuse yourself for so long but you are strong enough to decide 'enough is enough' and step in to protect your DC.

It sounds like you have a great relationship with your DC that they feel comfortable confiding in you and can see through their dad's lies about you. They rely on you to protect them so well done for taking steps to do this. We don't know what the outcome will be but your DC will remember as adults that you did everything you could to help them.

I don't know much about this but I thought your older DC would be able to have some say in where she wants to live and be taken seriously by the courts?

With regards to safety could you contact the police and inform them that you are afraid of his reaction? He is abusive to your children so could you let social services know you are afraid of him taking it out on them? I am not sure what else you could do but I really hope from my heart that things get better for you and DC.

CatMum10 · 20/08/2024 03:39

Grannywithnoplanny · 20/08/2024 01:49

You say this man has some nice qualities? He does not have nice qualities. 10 years after you've split up you've changed your name on this website giving the reason that he might go ballistic? There is absolutely nothing nice quality wise in the huge number of examples of him being a highly abusive arse hole that you have listed, and you say you are terrified. I'm not surprised. Speak to Womens Aid, you really need some proper support. Well done for taking action x

Thank you, you are absolutely right. I know that after reading this back.

I asked because I have very few people I can speak to. I have a lovely partner of 9 years whom they call their second dad. He supports me in whatever I choose to do in life so I worry that he would tell me I'm right even if he didn't think so. My sister and best friend obviously have my back. I've either surrounded myself with people who think the sun shines out of my arse or I do things that make sense most of the time!

I contacted Women's Aid last month when he had a go at me for questioning his girlfriend's speeding. My daughter had told me she didn't like being in the car as the speedo regularly hits 100. I asked him if she could slow down a bit so that DC wasn't scared and he called her a liar, said that I shouldn't question his judgement, that DC is a b*h. I didn't like the way he spoke about her at the time and contacted WA. The advisor there told me that the girls are old enough to have their voices heard now and to apply for the court order. I didn't do it to keep the peace as he was almost pleasant for a while. I am going to counselling about the people pleasing and anxiety as it has my put children in harms way now.

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CatMum10 · 20/08/2024 03:52

Paperweight7 · 20/08/2024 01:54

You are 100% doing the right thing!

I am actually in awe of you because you have had to put up with so much abuse yourself for so long but you are strong enough to decide 'enough is enough' and step in to protect your DC.

It sounds like you have a great relationship with your DC that they feel comfortable confiding in you and can see through their dad's lies about you. They rely on you to protect them so well done for taking steps to do this. We don't know what the outcome will be but your DC will remember as adults that you did everything you could to help them.

I don't know much about this but I thought your older DC would be able to have some say in where she wants to live and be taken seriously by the courts?

With regards to safety could you contact the police and inform them that you are afraid of his reaction? He is abusive to your children so could you let social services know you are afraid of him taking it out on them? I am not sure what else you could do but I really hope from my heart that things get better for you and DC.

Thank you, sometimes it's good to get an outsiders perspective but I know in my heart it's the right thing to do. I feel like a wretched backstabber because I do intend to go to social services tomorrow with the photos of the bedroom etc, which I have had for months and didn't do anything out of fear. I also thought that he was taking steps to address it. Since I haven't done anything about certain things his language about and towards them has got worse. I can't not do anything about what happened at the weekend or thing will just get worse. I have turned off notifications and my partner is arranging times when they're coming back. I am a grey rock for the foreseeable future!

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CoffeeCup14 · 20/08/2024 07:14

Going to court is absolutely the right thing to do. Disclosing the abuse is the right thing to do. It's not underhand.

Your ex's behaviour has undermined your confidence and shifted your idea of what is reasonable or normal. When someone is very confident that they are right, you end up doubting yourself. You get worn down by abuse and get used to believing he is right and you are wrong, and scared of sating anything because of the unpredictable consequences. It's not your fault that this has happened. It's like you've been drinking poison for a really long time - it will take time to recover.

It's really hard, but your children need you to stand up for them. They need you to show them that they don't have to accept how he treats them.

If you have been offered a place in a refuge, that means enough professionals think his behaviour towards you is abusive. Believe them. If you have access to The Freedom Programme I'd recommend that.

You are at the start of a really difficult journey, but you can do this. You will get to a point where he is just not relevant to you or your children any more.

Dassiee · 20/08/2024 09:11

The only thing I cant believe is its took so long to do this! That was a hard read, he's abusing them and is an absolute cunt.

GabriellaMontez · 20/08/2024 09:16

You talk about keeping the peace. But you describe a life that is fraught with stress and angst for you and your children.

Go to court. Get him out of your lives.

CatMum10 · 20/08/2024 14:18

Thank you for replies... After getting some sleep I feel better and do agree that I've done the right thing. Bit of an update- I had intended to represent myself but think I need some support so I contacted a couple of solicitors this morning. Unfortunately two of them don't have any solicitors who can take on my case and the other three can't help as there's a potential conflict of interest. In frustration I asked the last one exactly what this means as none of them were the firm that represented him last time. I was told that if he's gone to them for a free hour of legal advice he is their client. So he has been going to solicitors anyway. Any shred of guilt I had is gone. I can't find another local solicitor that accepts legal aid or will take the case on so that's that.

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CatMum10 · 20/08/2024 14:25

I have also decided to the Freedom Project which has been recommended to me a few times now. I can't believe I haven't seen things for how they really are for so long! I just didn't think I was "actually" a victim and made excuses, until I see my daughters being treated the same way.

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