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Disgusted at the corruption of the DVLA and all the scamming around driving tests

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ManyBooksLittleTime · 18/08/2024 09:22

Both my children are trying to pass their driving tests. In the area in which we live, and several centres surrounding this, individuals buy up ALL the driving tests using bots to purchase them all. It is impossible to buy your own test. The Instructors, including 'reputable' companies, recommend who to buy the test from. The tests are sold for £160 -500. Then the student is encouraged to pay for an hour driving lesson before the test and use of the car during the test.
My son's last test cost £340 all in and my daughter's £360. She got into the police, but couldn't join as she couldn't pass her test in time! It's soul destroying. AIBU to think that the the government/police should step in? This should be an illegal practice. At the moment the examiners and instructors must be getting massive backhanders and it's very much in the interest if the examiners to just keep failing the students. I'm so angry and frustrated! It just seems like very open corruption.

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LindorDoubleChoc · 18/08/2024 10:22

It's an absolute scandal and the Govt should be giving it urgent attention instead of vaguely promising to "look into it". It's like living in some sort of backward utterly corrupt society.

LaerealSilverhand · 18/08/2024 10:23

Hazeby · 18/08/2024 10:15

This was on the Jeremy Vine show last week. It is absolutely shocking and it should be easy enough to shut down.

Why not make it so only licensed driving instructors can book test slots?

That's exactly the problem there is now - the scammers ARE licensed driving instructors who are exploiting the fact that tests booked through the business system are transferrable.

The one change that will fix this is to stop appointments being transferrable. You book the appointment with one provisional licence number and that's it, no changing the number. If you can't make the appointment, you can apply for a refund, no other options.

W1nnweD1nner · 18/08/2024 10:23

Hazeby · 18/08/2024 10:20

But that can be monitored and their licenses revoked or whatever if they abuse it. A test should be a fixed price, like an MOT.

Exactly this. This wasn’t happening before. The previous government should have fixed it but chose not to. Is there an area they didn’t show complete incompetence in?

marmitewrap · 18/08/2024 10:24

LaerealSilverhand · 18/08/2024 10:02

There's a very simple fix. Currently the provisional licence number can be changed AFTER the booking has been made - this is what is being exploited by the brokers who are block booking. This was originally allowed so that driving instructors could block book tests and assign them to their students. It's being abused so it needs to be stopped. It would be the easiest thing to implement and I can't think why DVSA have not done it.

This is what they do, and yes, simple solution available that could be implemented almost immediately if there was the will to do so (but it doesn't look as though there is)...

MargaretThursday · 18/08/2024 10:25

Greentreesandbushes · 18/08/2024 09:39

Surely a very simple fix would be that candidate has to put their driving license number in at time of test booking. That would be very simple to implement.

Ive heard of people traveling to other areas for a test, could that work? Neighbouring county?

Ds has just booked his test. You have to put in your driving licence number even to see what tests are available.
You cannot book a test until you have passed your theory. You cannot use a driving license number that hasn't passed the theory or has passed the practical.

It isn't the best system, you log on at 6am on Monday morning and all the tests go quickly, and they're for about 6 months away.

But I don't think the op is correct. Ds wanted to take his locally and that one is very popular but we did get a test on the 2nd week of trying. Now he has a test he will hopefully find someone who has an earlier test who will swap with him (for free).

It's always been standard to have an hour test beforehand and if you're using your instructor's car then of course you pay for it.

It's a bad system, but not in the way the op thinks.

Digimoor · 18/08/2024 10:25

ManyBooksLittleTime · 18/08/2024 10:18

Digimoor - even the AA recommend going through individual scammers here because it's so difficult to get tests. Difficult to he virtuous if you have no choice!

The AA isn't a proper driving instruction "company" though - it's a franchise model so all the drivers are self employed

Almostwelsh · 18/08/2024 10:25

Yes. They could fix it. They have chosen not to. Because there is money to be made. Its totally corrupt.

MouseofCommons · 18/08/2024 10:25

You've always had to have an hours lesson before your test. I did 25yrs ago and my son did this summer.

LaerealSilverhand · 18/08/2024 10:25

User623 · 18/08/2024 10:09

Give instructors a PIN number to facilitate block booking for them on provisional of proving they are a legitimate driving school. Inability to change licence number for everyone else.

That's the system in place now - only licenced instructors have access to the block booking system. It's clearly licenced instructors who are behind the touting operations! Just get rid of transferabillity full stop, the benefits it brings are far outweighed by the vulnerabilities.

BigFatLiar · 18/08/2024 10:26

Just capitalism in action. People see an opportunity to profit and take it. Happens all over, concert tickets bought and sold on, houses bought up, where there's a chance to make money someone will take it.

For something like this though (and tickets) I'd make it illegal to sell on at more than face value.

marmitewrap · 18/08/2024 10:26

Bookings need to be not transferable to other provisional licence holders. Hey presto 💫 Fixed. Except the government seem unwilling to do this.

TheCompactPussycat · 18/08/2024 10:26

Almostwelsh · 18/08/2024 09:47

It's true. Instructors can buy blocks of tests and sell them on at a higher price and lots do.
My son is struggling to get a test that isn't months away. He has been ready since before June to take his test, the one he was offered is in November. He has Testi but not much comes up and if it does its often snapped up before he can get it. We are in the North West, not London.

I have suggested trying another area, but he'd have to relinquish the test he has booked to try another location and there is no guarantee he will get one any sooner, might be further away.

Edited

He needs to find someone to swap with - someone who has a test coming up that they aren't ready for. Local facebook groups are great for this. It's what we've done.

LakieLady · 18/08/2024 10:27

Hazeby · 18/08/2024 10:15

This was on the Jeremy Vine show last week. It is absolutely shocking and it should be easy enough to shut down.

Why not make it so only licensed driving instructors can book test slots?

It would stop people being taught by parents/partners etc from booking tests.

itsgettingweird · 18/08/2024 10:28

Jeeez we are very lucky I think in the area we live in.

Ds has to drive automatic so we registered to get an instructor. That did take 6 week. Took his theory - 3 weeks wait.

Block booked 20 hours. He started with 1.5 hrs a week. 7 weeks in his instructor said to book test. It was for 8 weeks time. Instructor said to try and get it sooner and no closer than 3 weeks. Using testi app we moved it to 3 weeks earlier.

He only had an hour and a half left of the 20 hours so we paid for an extra hour for before the test.

Took test. Passed.

We've had more issues with the dvla and his license (disabled) than we had with dvsa and his test.

Over 18 months to get his provisional license. Started lessons in March and had passed by July!

orcaborca · 18/08/2024 10:28

This has been an issue for years I think. I passed in 2016 and used an app that notified me of any cancellations and then I could go in and book a resit in a few days/ week instead of waiting months. Sounds like it's just more common knowledge now or the tech has advanced and people are bulk buying the slots.

MzHz · 18/08/2024 10:31

ElfAndSafetyBored · 18/08/2024 09:37

I agree. I was thinking about this after watching news reports about it last week.

Why don’t they make it so you have to put in your provisional drivers license number and postcode in to book a test?

erm, for individuals booking a test they do have to put their provisional licence/theory certificate reference to get through to the dates.

we did this for DS last year and then used an app to look for cancellations in three local centres

our initial tests were on Isle of Wight, Swansea and god knows where. Then we waited and used a cancellation appointment finder app.

LaerealSilverhand · 18/08/2024 10:31

MouseofCommons · 18/08/2024 10:25

You've always had to have an hours lesson before your test. I did 25yrs ago and my son did this summer.

Of course you don't. You can drive to the test centre with any licenced driver over the age of 21 in the passenger seat. How do you think that people who don't use an instructor (taught by parents etc) do their test?

Allergictoironing · 18/08/2024 10:31

Please don't blame all the Civil Servants for this. Yes there may be corruption at the higher levels, but the majority of the staff are low paid honest people trying to do the best they can with sub-standard software and abusive clients.

When a new computer system is proposed, any procurement has to go through a very restrictive process. I worked on a few of these in the past, both large and small, and can virtually guarantee that when a reasonable budget was requested there would be a cut of anything between 10% - 20% of what was really needed e.g. new system will cost around £100k to be fit for purpose, but only £80k expenditure would be approved.

The requirements will be defined as mandatory (absolutely must have to comply with legislation) and desirable (anything else which would make the system much better/easier to use/more functionality). If you're lucky, you find a supplier who can actually fulfil not just the mandatory but also a few desirables within budget, but of course you are supposed to select the supplier who can give you the mandatory requirement for the cheapest price half the time.

Of course in the long run it turns out that the supplier's estimates of cost were way off (bidding as low as possible to get the job) and the project goes way over budget - you hear this all the time in the news. Or they cut corners on things like testing, and all sorts of problems appear after a couple of years.

Often there's a case of "oops we didn't think of that" or "we assumed..." by the people writing the spec. Or only management were asked what was needed, and the staff using the system day to day weren't talked to. This situation often occurs because the staff doing the specification weren't the best at the job, because the salary offered was so low that they couldn't get decent staff to do it.

Bear in mind as well that the poor people answering the calls will be on little more than minimum wage and have zero authority to do or change anything, so please don't abuse them verbally!

Ozanj · 18/08/2024 10:33

My dsd took an intensive course @ her practical test in Orkney this year. She did it while we went on holiday. Apparently it was a lot easier than Uxbridge. She then did pass plus in Uxbridge to get a better feel of the local area. Is something like that an option?

Coughsweet · 18/08/2024 10:33

My DC’s instructor told them to book a test several months in advance on the basis they should be ready then despite not being ready when booking the test. They did actually try to get a cancellation and struggled with that but sat the test at the initially booked time and passed. It may have been more of an issue if had failed and wanted to book another test without waiting several months but a friend seemed to be ok when in that situation, in their case they did manage to book a cancellation.

DC used our car to sit the test as the instructor wasn’t around that day. The instructor gave them
a lesson in our car the day before.

LakieLady · 18/08/2024 10:33

MouseofCommons · 18/08/2024 10:25

You've always had to have an hours lesson before your test. I did 25yrs ago and my son did this summer.

I did too, 51 years ago.

I didn't bother when I took my second test, I'd been driving my boyfriend's car loads and passed my test in that.

The waiting time between the two tests was 11 months, there was a huge backlog for tests even then.

Swimmingatdusk · 18/08/2024 10:34

Yes they shouldn’t allow multiple bookings but what my DC did, this year, is book a test so they were in the system, it was about 330 miles away some time in advance. Once you have a test booked you are allowed to look for and book cancellations nearer the time when you know when you are going to be ready.

My DC didn’t need to pay an agent playing the system for profit and got a test at our local test centre when they were ready. It’s not the best system but it works ok if you know this hack.

Floralnomad · 18/08/2024 10:36

My daughter took her test last year , fortunately we had a driving instructor who was very pro active about getting her clients tests by swapping with other instructors etc . There was definitely some sort of corruption at our local test centre as one afternoon they released 9 test spaces for the following month and despite us having 3 people on different devices we didn’t even see them come up on the DVSA page and a new local instructor somehow managed to get 5 of her students booked in - there is just no way that is a coincidence . Personally I think that the test centres should keep back a certain amount of tests to offer to people who fail but could probably pass any other day so that those people are not waiting months . I’m just glad that we are finished with it now .

AyeDeadOn · 18/08/2024 10:38

Why can't they just make it that you need to name the person taking the test when you book and make it untransferable?

Floralnomad · 18/08/2024 10:38

Swimmingatdusk · 18/08/2024 10:34

Yes they shouldn’t allow multiple bookings but what my DC did, this year, is book a test so they were in the system, it was about 330 miles away some time in advance. Once you have a test booked you are allowed to look for and book cancellations nearer the time when you know when you are going to be ready.

My DC didn’t need to pay an agent playing the system for profit and got a test at our local test centre when they were ready. It’s not the best system but it works ok if you know this hack.

We did that but cancellations rarely come up for our local centre and despite having Testi and another app we never managed to find one , we were totally reliant on our instructor ( brilliant woman)