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To think this is why the high street is failing?

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MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 11:03

I’m off on holiday in a couple of days, so thought I’d go up to the big shopping centre for a couple of last minute things.

In the massive H&M, all the tills bar one had been converted to self-service. The ones on the floor I was on were ALL closed. I went down to the lower floor and there was a huge queue, because no one could work out the machines. There was a step to remove security tags, and people couldn’t work out whether this was only for those plastic tags or if there was some flag on the barcodes for lower value items. Someone else was trying to process a return via these tills. When a member of staff eventually appeared, she confirmed returns could only be processed at a manned till. The customer pointed out that there were no manned tills. The staff member had no idea who to ask about it, then disappeared to find someone, so the queue was getting even longer.

I was on the way out about 15 minutes before closing time and went past M&S. I thought “I wonder if the Bureau de Change is still open” and went to check. The woman saw me approach and had a pained look on her face, saying “Arrgghh, I’ve just cashed uuuppp!” I was a bit taken aback, but said “Oh well, never mind. What time do you close, for future reference?” She then reluctantly admitted that she was supposed to be open until 8, but said “But I do start cashing up at around 7.30”. I was about to ask why when she started saying, “It’s fine; I’ll do it, I’ll do it”, like she was doing me a massive favour. I tried to pay on Revolut and she said “We can’t take those cards!”, as if it was somehow obvious. I asked about Apple Pay and she said, “No, it has to be a proper bank card or credit card”. I therefore went to pay with my credit card and she said, “You do know we have to charge a fee for these, don’t you?” I said I didn’t have a choice given she’d rejected two other payment methods.

I then went down to foods to grab a ready meal and some wine. I went to a manned till as I had alcohol and the girl said, “Oh, could you go to the self-service? It’s just that I’m closing this one”. I asked about the alcohol and she said, “I can approve that from here; it’s just that it’s easier for me”.

I feel like we’re constantly told in the media “Use it or lose it” re: the high street; how sad it would be if we lost the personal touch. From what I could see yesterday, one store has done everything possible to eliminate personal interaction, while in the other, the staff are more bothered about their convenience than the customers’. Is it any wonder that people would rather click a couple of buttons to get something delivered?

OP posts:
Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 11:47

“Offered” - as it it’s a treat

How else did you want her to verbalise that she was willing to do it? Or are you just angry that she had the temerity to tell you she had cashed up?

BobnLen · 14/08/2024 11:48

It was in the news at the weekend that Asda were going to put staff back on the checkouts, probably people aren't going in there because it's so crap, I sometimes pop in for milk or one thing as it's near me but I wouldn't do a large shop there and check it all out myself.

WoolySnail · 14/08/2024 11:48

Seeline · 14/08/2024 11:19

I am perfectly capable of using self checkout. I just don't see the point. The other day I had 5 items and had to call the assistant over 4 times. The machine won't accept an empty shopping bag without staff approval, I had alcohol and paracetamol, the birthday card wouldn't register in the bagging area.

The trolley self checkout area is too small and not everyone can place the trollies near their till. The bagging area is too small for a full trolley so things keep falling off. The bagging area is also at a ridiculously low level and I have a bad back which makes it impossible for me to use. Then you have all the issues of the standard self checkout.

And there are never enough staff to man the area with everyone needing multiple assists.

If shops want to convert to self checkout, at least make sure the systems and facilities are capable of running the service in the first place!

This ⬆️ 💯

SoupDragon · 14/08/2024 11:49

No, this is not why High Streets are dying. They are dying because of online shopping and the high costs of a physical shop. What you are seeing is a symptom, not the cause.

whereisthelifethatirecognize · 14/08/2024 11:50

Yep. At a Boots a few days ago. No manned service till, and 3 out of the 4 self-service tills weren't usable because they needed to be 'cleared' by an employee with a code. Long queue. Eventually, an employee came over to clear the 3 machines... Ridiculous. Reminded me why I don't go there very often.

OhshutupNancy · 14/08/2024 11:50

YANBU. I always shop online these days but last year my Dad died and my DM wanted a new dress to wear to his funeral. DM hates shopping online so off we set to find her something. By god it was an infuriating waste of time, shelves empty, only very small or very large sizes. I went to Manchester with DD and wanted to buy my fave lipstick from Selfridges. Picked the sample up and told the shop assistant I would like this - sorry it is now discontinued.....so why is it still on show? Never mind I will find a new colour - that one was out of stock. Ended up buying online, it was actually hard to spend money. Add in train fair to get to Manchester and I am well out of pocket. I will stick to online thanks.

SoupDragon · 14/08/2024 11:51

As for "scan as you go"' I use it everywhere I can. It's fabulous. I'm not so fond of self scan at the till as it can be annoying on occasion.

Koalaslippers · 14/08/2024 11:52

I went to a large city centre last week. I struggled to find clothes in my DDs size in several large chain shops. I used to prefer buying clothes in person to try on, feel the fabric etc but that only works if sizes are available. After a standard child's age so not an odd size.

SoupDragon · 14/08/2024 11:52

OhshutupNancy · 14/08/2024 11:50

YANBU. I always shop online these days but last year my Dad died and my DM wanted a new dress to wear to his funeral. DM hates shopping online so off we set to find her something. By god it was an infuriating waste of time, shelves empty, only very small or very large sizes. I went to Manchester with DD and wanted to buy my fave lipstick from Selfridges. Picked the sample up and told the shop assistant I would like this - sorry it is now discontinued.....so why is it still on show? Never mind I will find a new colour - that one was out of stock. Ended up buying online, it was actually hard to spend money. Add in train fair to get to Manchester and I am well out of pocket. I will stick to online thanks.

"I always shop online these days" is exactly why the high streets are as described.

whereisthelifethatirecognize · 14/08/2024 11:52

H&M is always a pain in the arse when it comes to shopping/paying around here. Not staffed well, and long queues to pay unless you use the self-service which is quite annoying to use with the security tag issues, etc. And the manned till is super slow as well with the numerous 'questions' you have to jump through just to buy something.

Khanga27 · 14/08/2024 11:53

@nanana1 having worked at M&S, they actually pay their staff until 30 minutes after closure (or at least my store did).

WoolySnail · 14/08/2024 11:54

LakieLady · 14/08/2024 11:31

I am perfectly capable of using self checkout. I just don't see the point. The other day I had 5 items and had to call the assistant over 4 times. The machine won't accept an empty shopping bag without staff approval, I had alcohol and paracetamol, the birthday card wouldn't register in the bagging area.

I feel your pain, @Seeline. Self service checkouts hate me, they seem to delight in doing all the above and then more, like just refusing to scan an item or two and constantly accusing me of putting an "unexpected item in the bagging area".

My malign influence even extends to neighbouring checkouts. In one supermarket, the man at the one next to me kept being told to place his produce on the scales every time he scanned the pack of 3 pairs of pants he was trying to buy...

I have found my people 🤣

DriverMeCrazy · 14/08/2024 11:54

I went to bricks and mortar shops this week. I wanted to buy DS new shoes for school. Chose a pair but staff could only find one of them in his size, the other was missing. Had to order them online.
In a sports store, they didn’t have his size top in stock. Bought it online when we got home.
Popped into M&S, they didn’t have the jeans I wanted in a size 12. None in the store.
Paid four quid in parking and came home empty handed.

Nanny0gg · 14/08/2024 11:54

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

I use both quite happily

But you can't sort out your own refunds/holiday money and if tills are supposed to be open till a certain time then they should be open!

And whilst cash is still legal tender you should be able to use it in cafes/shops/pubs/entertainment venues etc etc

whereisthelifethatirecognize · 14/08/2024 11:54

Oldermum84 · 14/08/2024 11:46

I've worked for 2 different large retailers in my past (many years ago) where we were only paid until the shop closed, say 5:30pm but had to wait until the last customer had left, which was often around 5:40pm, then we had to cash up a till before it was signed off and we could leave. This was often 6pm. So we would be working an extra 30mins unpaid. The paid hours were minimum wage and as I was under 21 this was a lot let than adult minimum wage. This is common practice. These shop workers are trying to leave on time. Retailers should pay their workers appropriately.

That's illegal. No different than asking you to physically sign out but stay and keep working. Formally ask to be paid for the hours you are working or leave at 5:30.

BobnLen · 14/08/2024 11:55

The service from the online grocery shop is much better, I was shopping at Tesco but my delivery saver ran out so I took up Ocado's offer of £20 off £60 and 6 months free delivery pass. Not only that, they have showered me with more coupons off and also giving me a free box of Hotel Chocolat after my 4th shop, looks like the £12 one. Though I do think I prefer Tesco website so will probably go back to them when the gifts stop.

muddyford · 14/08/2024 11:55

I have been into our local city centre (8 miles away)twice in two years, once to get my 'phone screen replaced, other to do financial things. I shop locally or at retail parks, but also online. I have never window-shopped and I can get everything without the utter misery.

SoupDragon · 14/08/2024 11:56

I went to a big Westfield mall last month and it was absolutely fine. I think that's where "high streets" are going to end up - just fewer big malls rather than lots of little high streets. I don't think the traditional High Street can survive now.

notanotheronenow · 14/08/2024 11:56

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

I thought similar until I went to Boots to buy some makeup sponges and they were security tagged (yes, really).

The only tills were self-service. So I had to hunt someone down and ask what I was supposed to do, then they had to come and take the tag off, so I had to queue for the checkouts and then start another queue for the security tag thing.

I really don't think most people want to bother with that. And generally, it's for high value items that are tagged, not makeup sponges. Supposedly. So the supermarkets are losing money there.

Not to mention that self-scan = smaller basket/trolley of items, as no one can be arsed to do a full shop and do that, not to mention there's not enough space for items or people getting past. So it's a self-fulfilling cycle of getting worse, impatient staff etc.

LakieLady · 14/08/2024 11:56

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:12

Also, the high street is dying because rents are extortionate and people prefer to shop online

I don't prefer shopping online.

Food shopping online is shite for people who live alone, you end up with 5 days worth of food that all has to be eaten by the day after tomorrow or it goes out of date, and you can't hand pick the leanest/freshest/least manky items. And my shopping rarely comes to enough to get free delivery. Plus I'm promiscuous when it comes to food shopping: I get all my basics from Tesco, most of my fresh stuff from Waitrose and a few things from Aldi.

Clothes shopping is even worse. Every pair of shoes I have ever ordered online has had to go back because they don't fit, clothes are never as nice as they look in the pics, or the fabric has a horrible feel/is a completely different shade from how it looks on my screen/is just generally shoddy, and I hate buying bras without trying them on because of inconsistent sizing.

MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 11:57

Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 11:47

“Offered” - as it it’s a treat

How else did you want her to verbalise that she was willing to do it? Or are you just angry that she had the temerity to tell you she had cashed up?

I knew I’d get words like “temerity” thrown at me.

Why DID she tell me she’d cashed up? I didn’t need to know that.

OP posts:
ToffeeSquirrels · 14/08/2024 11:58

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

Spectacularly missing the point there @NeedSomeAnswersPlease

Oh the irony of calling other folk ‘ignorant’ 🙄

BunfightBetty · 14/08/2024 11:59

Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 11:40

Wage stagnation over the last couple of decades, while the price of eg parking has increased with inflation, means that a lot of costs are now relatively more expensive compared to income. Disposable incomes are lower.. Quite a lot of people now need things to be cheap because they simply won’t be able to afford them otherwise.

its not unrelated though is it the people wanting cheap & their own wage stagnation.

The macro economics driving this are a lot more complicated than that!

Skippingropes · 14/08/2024 11:59

I think it's a bit chicken and egg really, the less people who use shops the more they cut back on staff etc, and then even less people use them.

There are other factors though, we have been spoilt with the Internet and online shopping especially with many places offering super quick delivery and free returns etc. More choice as well of course.

The lack of investment in city centres makes the high street less appealing- me and my friends would make a day of walking round the shops but now most are dreary, drab with expensive parking.

Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 11:59

@MiamiWindMachine so you really are just angry because she told you 😆😆.

She probably just spoke without thinking hence why she followed up with “I’ll do it”. I don’t see how it’s a big deal.

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