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To think this is why the high street is failing?

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MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 11:03

I’m off on holiday in a couple of days, so thought I’d go up to the big shopping centre for a couple of last minute things.

In the massive H&M, all the tills bar one had been converted to self-service. The ones on the floor I was on were ALL closed. I went down to the lower floor and there was a huge queue, because no one could work out the machines. There was a step to remove security tags, and people couldn’t work out whether this was only for those plastic tags or if there was some flag on the barcodes for lower value items. Someone else was trying to process a return via these tills. When a member of staff eventually appeared, she confirmed returns could only be processed at a manned till. The customer pointed out that there were no manned tills. The staff member had no idea who to ask about it, then disappeared to find someone, so the queue was getting even longer.

I was on the way out about 15 minutes before closing time and went past M&S. I thought “I wonder if the Bureau de Change is still open” and went to check. The woman saw me approach and had a pained look on her face, saying “Arrgghh, I’ve just cashed uuuppp!” I was a bit taken aback, but said “Oh well, never mind. What time do you close, for future reference?” She then reluctantly admitted that she was supposed to be open until 8, but said “But I do start cashing up at around 7.30”. I was about to ask why when she started saying, “It’s fine; I’ll do it, I’ll do it”, like she was doing me a massive favour. I tried to pay on Revolut and she said “We can’t take those cards!”, as if it was somehow obvious. I asked about Apple Pay and she said, “No, it has to be a proper bank card or credit card”. I therefore went to pay with my credit card and she said, “You do know we have to charge a fee for these, don’t you?” I said I didn’t have a choice given she’d rejected two other payment methods.

I then went down to foods to grab a ready meal and some wine. I went to a manned till as I had alcohol and the girl said, “Oh, could you go to the self-service? It’s just that I’m closing this one”. I asked about the alcohol and she said, “I can approve that from here; it’s just that it’s easier for me”.

I feel like we’re constantly told in the media “Use it or lose it” re: the high street; how sad it would be if we lost the personal touch. From what I could see yesterday, one store has done everything possible to eliminate personal interaction, while in the other, the staff are more bothered about their convenience than the customers’. Is it any wonder that people would rather click a couple of buttons to get something delivered?

OP posts:
MrsSunshine2b · 14/08/2024 14:53

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

If shops want customers, it's their job to make shopping there a pleasant experience. Of course anyone can learn to use self-service, but most people find it irritating to use and if you're going shopping in person just to deal with a robot, you might as well deal with the robot online. When the online option is cheaper, more convenient and offers more choice, bricks-and-mortar shops have to provide an exceptional experience to make people want to use them, and I'd say ensuring there are friendly and helpful staff to serve you is kind of the bare minimum.

Topseyt123 · 14/08/2024 14:56

BiscuityBoyle · 14/08/2024 14:38

I’ll always use an app if I can. The ability to extend remotely is brilliant.

Me too now that I have got used to them.

No more worrying about exceeding your time in the car park while stuck in a queue somewhere. You can extend it remotely and the app will often remind you as necessary. No more farting about at car park machines where either the card reader won't work and/or the coin box, if it even has one, is full up so it can no longer take cash payments either.

Apps may take a bit of getting used to, but have been good for me and I am pleased to see them becoming an option in more and more places.

Many places do still keep the cash and card systems going too and they will be needed for some time to come because whilst many people (majority) do have a smartphone, by no means everyone does.

Tooting33 · 14/08/2024 14:57

Snowpaw · 14/08/2024 11:33

I agree. I also find things like shoe shops a right pain because 9 times out of 10 the beautiful shoes they have out on display (that your child then falls in love with) aren't available in their size or they have seemingly very limited stock and they bring out designs for you to try that are nothing like those on display, and they say "we can order it online for you to collect in 3 days if you want" etc. etc.... I feel like shopping is just harder than it needs to be on the high street.

Kids shoes have been like that for years (DD is 28 now). We used to just go in and ask what they had in her size in the end, because there was no point looking at the display.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 14:58

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2024 14:49

Some of us are lonely. I have no siblings and only ever had miscarriages. Life doesn’t always work out the way you expect.

I had a good job, but cared for my parents and husband for many years. In that type of situation, your social circle dwindles. I’ve outlived both family members and friends.

I admit to being socially awkward, so just getting out there isn’t always so easy.

Yes, some people prefer their own company. That’s fine.

You know what’s “shitty”? Using “lonely” as an insult.

You know what else is "shitty"? The first part of the response from the poster the PP you quoted was actually responding to.

These are the same people who love working from home and don’t answer the door, aren’t they? 😁
Some of us need to speak to other humans on a day to day basis
.

Laughing at people who are enjoy their own company because "some of us" don't understand it.

I'm sorry for the sadness in your life and that you feel lonely. But being alone doesn't always equal being lonely. Some people crave alone time like other crave interaction and that's ok.

MikeRafone · 14/08/2024 15:01

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

why is anyone ignorant if they refuse to self serve?

Just because you can learn, doesn't mean anyone and everyone can. Ever heard of the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" ? Its got meaning behind it

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2024 15:02

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 14:58

You know what else is "shitty"? The first part of the response from the poster the PP you quoted was actually responding to.

These are the same people who love working from home and don’t answer the door, aren’t they? 😁
Some of us need to speak to other humans on a day to day basis
.

Laughing at people who are enjoy their own company because "some of us" don't understand it.

I'm sorry for the sadness in your life and that you feel lonely. But being alone doesn't always equal being lonely. Some people crave alone time like other crave interaction and that's ok.

Yes. I know that it’s okay to crave alone time.

However, thank you for acknowledging that using “lonely” as an insult is shitty.

We never know what life has in store for us, thank goodness.

ThreeSides · 14/08/2024 15:02

Some of us are lonely. I have no siblings and only ever had miscarriages. Life doesn’t always work out the way you expect.

I had a good job, but cared for my parents and husband for many years. In that type of situation, your social circle dwindles. I’ve outlived both family members and friends.

I admit to being socially awkward, so just getting out there isn’t always so easy.

Yes, some people prefer their own company. That’s fine.

You know what’s “shitty”? Using “lonely” as an insult.

If you read my post, you'll see that the person I responded to was being nasty and a total goady arse about people who don't answer the door. Some people don't answer the door because they have mental health issues or have something else going on. It's not nice to laugh at them.

If you also read my post, I said if some people need to use shops for interaction, that is fine, I understand they can be a lifeline for people.

It was the piss taking from the other poster that I had an issue with. If that particular poster is lonely, maybe it's because she is nasty to others, like those who do work from home and don't answer their door because they are struggling.

My post was aimed only at that poster who sounds horrible.

If you're struggling then I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully you're not making shitty digs at others like the pp was though.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/08/2024 15:05

@NeedSomeAnswersPlease

I don’t think you know what ‘ignorant’ means.

Which is quite ironic, really

Llamasinjamas · 14/08/2024 15:10

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2024 14:49

Some of us are lonely. I have no siblings and only ever had miscarriages. Life doesn’t always work out the way you expect.

I had a good job, but cared for my parents and husband for many years. In that type of situation, your social circle dwindles. I’ve outlived both family members and friends.

I admit to being socially awkward, so just getting out there isn’t always so easy.

Yes, some people prefer their own company. That’s fine.

You know what’s “shitty”? Using “lonely” as an insult.

Sending you a virtual hug 🤗

Beautiful3 · 14/08/2024 15:12

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 13:52

@Beautiful3 is assume they'd have a bank account???? I got one when I was 11!

Do.you mean they have debit cards linked to their bank accounts?! They use those when they go shopping?

Beautiful3 · 14/08/2024 15:14

Another2Cats · 14/08/2024 14:17

You are assuming that everybody has had the same experiences growing up that you have. What you think of ordinary and run of the mill will be quite out of the ordinary for someone else.

We often get similar cases of people not being aware of how others live in other areas of life as well. This often comes up when salaries are mentioned.

On one hand you will have posters saying "I literally know nobody who earns as much as £40k per year". Then, in contrast, you will equally have posters saying that they know nobody who earns less than £80k.

Your experience of life is not necessarily the same experience of life that other people have had.

Exactly my thoughts, thank you.

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 15:14

@Beautiful3 yes? When I was 11 I had a debit card that was attached to my bank account- I didn't have contactless as it wasn't really a thing then, but there are multiple bank accounts on the market which are designed for 11-18 year olds with debit cards and parental controls

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 15:18

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2024 15:02

Yes. I know that it’s okay to crave alone time.

However, thank you for acknowledging that using “lonely” as an insult is shitty.

We never know what life has in store for us, thank goodness.

Wasn't me that used it in that way, I wouldn't because I have been lonely, despite actually being one of those weird needs a lot of alone time people.

But the poster who did I think has acknowledged it after my post too. They took the same issue with the PP as I did that it's not nice to make fun of people who live a different life to them.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 15:20

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 15:14

@Beautiful3 yes? When I was 11 I had a debit card that was attached to my bank account- I didn't have contactless as it wasn't really a thing then, but there are multiple bank accounts on the market which are designed for 11-18 year olds with debit cards and parental controls

There wasn't much of anything like that available when I was 11. I had a bank account but it was only good for storing money, really.

Times change quickly.

KeepScrapingBy · 14/08/2024 15:22

Re the “ignorant” comment, shouldn’t shops be able to serve people who are less technologically advanced, just plain lazy or in need of some human interaction? (This used to be called “service”. How quaint and outdated!)

taxguru · 14/08/2024 15:23

MikeRafone · 14/08/2024 15:01

why is anyone ignorant if they refuse to self serve?

Just because you can learn, doesn't mean anyone and everyone can. Ever heard of the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" ? Its got meaning behind it

Because they're not going away any time soon. If you don't keep up with changing tech etc then you'll end up left behind.

baroqueandblue · 14/08/2024 15:24

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

Biscuit
NinetyPercent · 14/08/2024 15:24

TenThousandSpoons · 14/08/2024 11:10

Yes, my big Sainsbury’s makes you self checkout a whole trolley if you go at around 7pm. Once I moaned about it to the person I had to call multiple times to help me and she said “you can ask and we’ll open a till”. Next time I asked for a till to be opened and they said they couldn’t because there weren’t enough staff.

Our medium size Sainsbury’s makes you self check out a trolley load all day every day 🤷‍♀️ I’ve got used to it. They only have one till with a staff member on open on a Saturday morning (so therefore I presume every other day too as Saturdays are busy).

BrownBirdWelcomesWhiteWave · 14/08/2024 15:26

Ineedanewsofa · 14/08/2024 11:15

High streets are failing due to parking/cost of parking. Recently I’ve been to a small city and paid £24(!) for 4 hours parking in the centre and a large town where the only car park I could find a space in was cash only, most of the payment machines were broken and the working ones did not accept the new back notes with Charles on (the only money I had on me).
I’ve learnt my lesson and will stick to online!

This!!

I object to paying for parking.

I object to paying to enter a craft fayre

I object to paying for the catalogue that Next used to send out and charge for

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 14/08/2024 15:26

taxguru · 14/08/2024 15:23

Because they're not going away any time soon. If you don't keep up with changing tech etc then you'll end up left behind.

So in your eyes, people just have to accept that retail jobs are going away?

And I love the self service.

suburburban · 14/08/2024 15:31

Abra1t · 14/08/2024 11:36

Same with banks. I have banked digitally for years and years. I don't need telling that online is convenient--I know.

In the weeks following a recent bereavement, I needed to go to an actual branch to sort things out, things that can't be done on the app and which they tell you you have to go to a branch to do. Ours is 18 miles away. They meet you aggressively at the door with an IPad and demand why you're there, why you haven't used the app (because I'm having problems with the app), what your problem is (the day after a bereavement I opened an account and accidentally used my maiden, not married, name. 'Why would you do that?' Because I hadn't slept for days and my mother had died the previous night).

An elderly couple, hunched over, moving with obvious discomfort, were asked why they weren't using the app. 'Because our eyesight is bad and we have bad arthritis in our fingers.'

Same with the post office. 'Why are you here?' Because I have a complicated postal query. 'Why aren't you using the machine?' Because I have a complicated postal query. It's like being in a Soviet-Era store.

Yes I know

I was asked when I rang my insurance company the same thing and he sounded sarcastic

I said is it a crime and he said there is no need to be like that

Perhaps I would rather speak to someone

selfesteemfan · 14/08/2024 15:32

YANBU.

I fucking hate it too, everything you've said. Then we wonder why were so stressed and pissed off and need a glass or three of sodding wine.

suburburban · 14/08/2024 15:33

I hate the self scanners with lots of things and it doesn't like you packing your bag as you go.

It is low down

PontiacFirebird · 14/08/2024 15:39

ThreeSides · 14/08/2024 15:02

Some of us are lonely. I have no siblings and only ever had miscarriages. Life doesn’t always work out the way you expect.

I had a good job, but cared for my parents and husband for many years. In that type of situation, your social circle dwindles. I’ve outlived both family members and friends.

I admit to being socially awkward, so just getting out there isn’t always so easy.

Yes, some people prefer their own company. That’s fine.

You know what’s “shitty”? Using “lonely” as an insult.

If you read my post, you'll see that the person I responded to was being nasty and a total goady arse about people who don't answer the door. Some people don't answer the door because they have mental health issues or have something else going on. It's not nice to laugh at them.

If you also read my post, I said if some people need to use shops for interaction, that is fine, I understand they can be a lifeline for people.

It was the piss taking from the other poster that I had an issue with. If that particular poster is lonely, maybe it's because she is nasty to others, like those who do work from home and don't answer their door because they are struggling.

My post was aimed only at that poster who sounds horrible.

If you're struggling then I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully you're not making shitty digs at others like the pp was though.

That Poster was me. Firstly, I was clearly being flippant in response to the “ I’m alright Jack, get with the 21st century” posts.
I wfh sometimes myself, and am lucky enough to have a large family and several friends. Not everyone is so lucky.
If we are to make allowances for anxiety or introversion as reasons to not want open the front door, then it should be easy to understand that some people do actually want to see humans in real life.
Maybe take things a tiny bit less literally! It’s just a discussion.

KimberleyClark · 14/08/2024 15:42

Ineedanewsofa · 14/08/2024 11:15

High streets are failing due to parking/cost of parking. Recently I’ve been to a small city and paid £24(!) for 4 hours parking in the centre and a large town where the only car park I could find a space in was cash only, most of the payment machines were broken and the working ones did not accept the new back notes with Charles on (the only money I had on me).
I’ve learnt my lesson and will stick to online!

In my city centre you can get 2-3 hours parking for £4.50.