That jobs should advertise working hours?

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Having a browse for jobs and it really grates on me how most of the jobs are just the hours, not the days required or even saying something like flexible. I saw one that was 16 hours that looked good but no shifts or availability stated; so even if I get an interview, I have to prepare and do an interview and then potentially be told it's every Saturday and Sunday which would be no use. AIBU to think that if a job isn't full time, they should include the shifts in the ad or say that shifts vary?

YANBU. They give so much detail about what kind of candidate they are looking for but don't give basic information like working hours and salary range. If we are to adapt our CV to each position, fill in an application form, write a cover letter, etc., which all takes time, the least they could do is not waste our time by omitting such important details.

Yesss @MsMajeika , the long, long paragraphs about what they are looking for, having to tailor to it and then no basic information like that! I forgot that it didn't have the pay included in it.

I agree. I recently had an interview, they knew from the application what my availability was and we also discussed it at interview. I got a call to say that my interview was a success and they were really keen to take me on, but they didn't have any hours to suit my availability, so would just keep me on file for the future.

I was available for 4 days a week. But not the right days apparently.

I was literally thinking this the other day. I have commitments and another pt job. It annoys me when jobs don't state what days and hours.

I agree.

Perhaps as part of the employment reforms that the government plan, certain things to include in job adverts, or at least before an interview, should be required.

Look at the number of threads where people have been told one thing at interview and then it is different once they start, such as if and for how much they can work from home as an example.

Some of the missing information or verbal assurances that are not the reality verge on deception.

the missing salary range annoys me. Lets face it were only working for money!!!!!

It's usually flexible for the right candidate though.

Yes this is my bug bear too. As if you are going to spend time and effort putting in an application if you don't even know what the hours are.

This.

it thoroughly annoys me when jobs advertise a minimal number of hrs 8/12/16 per week but that you have to be available to cover any/all shift patterns as needed so it’s not set days- means that it’s more difficult to pick up a part time job around other days that you work or around study / uni / college.

I had a part time job for 8 hrs a week to fit in with my main self employed job which was usually the same days and times (weekday mornings), when the management found out that I worked from 3.30pm in the afternoons elsewhere they started scheduling me to work afternoon shifts finishing at 5pm forcing me to quit. Until then I had worked the mornings for 5 years with no problems.

I find it astonishing that employers complain that they can't recruit when they haven't even looked at the basics their end, like providing information on pay and work days/hours, and whether their application processes are fit for purpose. They should also check that they treat candidates politely and professionally. And that they do no mislead them or even lie.

Let's face it, when they get this stuff wrong, it's the reliable candidates they put off! I'd much rather employ someone already successfully employed elsewhere than someone not employed at all.

I get that it's annoying but can't you call the recruiting manager and ask the question before you put in an application?

Drives me bonkers. My industry is 24 hours and that's honestly not a bad thing. If I'm to go back full time (currently part time) then I'd be looking for early shifts so we can split the childcare responsibilities. I know our industry does it as I have done those shift patterns a few years back. If the role is advertised as a late shift or nights then that's fine I just walk on by and leave it for those who would prefer those hours. I find it really off putting not bothering to mention work hours on an advert, it must really put a lot of good candidates off that are looking for something specific.

Most job adverts have a number/email address for informal questions about the role - you could ask them about the hours and flexibility you'll be required to offer, or if it's possible to agree a fixed working pattern.

Yes, they definitely should. It's a real problem for lower paid roles that require shift work - so few adverts specify what days, start and finish times. It's because ultimately they don't want you locked in onto certain shifts, they want you at their beck and call.

I have never seen job adverts that have this. I’m looking at the moment and I’ve sent off several applications, a couple have phoned me for a basic chat and I’ve been able to ask the questions then. Very rare now IME to have a phone number for anyone. I’ve even had trouble when other companies ask for references as they refuse to accept mobile numbers but so many businesses no longer use landlines.

Employers want employees who are available 144 hours a week but only want to pay them for a few of those hours.