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To refuse to go into a hot and sweaty office

496 replies

Floofydawg · 30/07/2024 16:51

I've been WFH full time since Covid but we now have a directive of two days a week in the office. I can do my job fully remotely with no problems. I've been going into the office as directed but last week the air conditioning in the office wasn't working and we weren't allowed to open any windows to let some air in. The office was very very hot. I ended up going home because I felt ill and had a headache from the heat (I did work when I got home). Manager is expecting us in the office later this week even though the aircon is not fixed and we've been warned it could be warmer due to the heatwave. AIBU to refuse to go in?

I would also add that I am struggling with menopause and not being able to regulate my body temperature. Not saying I should get special treatment however I do struggle with it. I'd rather be home where I can open my windows and let some air in.

OP posts:
Boomer55 · 30/07/2024 17:20

Ask for a fan. Thats what we used to do. 🤷‍♀️

Sugarlily · 30/07/2024 17:21

I would also add that I am struggling with menopause and not being able to regulate my body temperature. Not saying I should get special treatment

And yes you should. Just like anyone else with a medical reason for getting too hot. Reasonable adjustments should be made. I’ve raised it a number of times at my office as sometimes I’m literally dripping sweat and I can hardly work like that

Toastcrumbsinsofa · 30/07/2024 17:22

Ask if you could do extra days in the office once the air con is fixed as a compromise.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 30/07/2024 17:22

Of course you should get special treatment if you are suffering from the menopause.

ButtSurgery · 30/07/2024 17:22

Floofydawg · 30/07/2024 17:12

Yes my manager is aware I'm in menopause.

There are no fans in the office and the only one I have is a big tower one - I'm damned if I'm buying one out of my own money just for the office.

Windows being locked closed is apparently for 'safety reasons.'

I'm perfectly happy to go in if I don't have to sit in 80 degree heat with no air coming in, and I have been doing for months.

Buy a USB desk fan and take it in with you. I have one pointed at me at home all day. Highly recommend.

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TeaAndBrie · 30/07/2024 17:22

Sugarlily · 30/07/2024 17:19

So many people work in an office without aircon. No one is comfortable in this heat if you’re in an office without air con at the moment. You’re being a bit of a princess by making an issue about it - clearly because you don’t want to go to the office

I’ve never understand this line of thought. ‘Everyone is uncomfortable so you should be too.’ Instead of the logic that is, ‘that’s a good idea to work at home for a day or so so you won’t be really uncomfortable’

It’s like some weird sado-masochistic trait at play. Definitely a British thing.

My point was that with the current temperatures very few people are comfortable in offices but function perfectly well without air con. I would guess that less offices have air con than those that do.

the world can’t stop every time someone gets a bit hot.

LlynTegid · 30/07/2024 17:23

You might be fortunate by Thursday that the temperature is lower than today. I think you should be talking to HR about a reasonable adjustment.

There should be a maximum temperature at least in offices. I can understand why aircon has not been fixed, as either those who can fix it are snowed under with demands, or are on holiday.

susiedaisy1912 · 30/07/2024 17:23

HateMyNewJobSoMuch · 30/07/2024 16:58

I personally would speak to HR to nudge them down the route of WFH as a “reasonable adjustment” given the aircon situation and your symptoms of menopause.

Agree

Chersfrozenface · 30/07/2024 17:24

A reasonable adjustment would be to supply a fan or bring in your own & to have a bottle of water with you.

It's the employer who has to make reasonable adjustments. So the employer needs to supply fans and water. Not the employee.

LlynTegid · 30/07/2024 17:24

TeaAndBrie · 30/07/2024 17:22

My point was that with the current temperatures very few people are comfortable in offices but function perfectly well without air con. I would guess that less offices have air con than those that do.

the world can’t stop every time someone gets a bit hot.

A few less or different days coming into an office a year is not unreasonable, and cheaper than having air con. You are right that above 25C is often only a few days a year, hence sensible adjustments.

BeaRF75 · 30/07/2024 17:26

Oh grow up, OP! It's part of the job, so just do it. You can't "refuse". Before the pandemic you wouldn't have thought twice about it, and thousands of people do fine in so-called hot and sweaty offices.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 30/07/2024 17:27

Poppysmom22 · 30/07/2024 17:17

My boss did this the year it hit 42 degrees - after i collapsed in a dead faint at the top of the stairs fell down the whole flight then was sick all over as I came round and had to have an ambulance and it became reportable under riddor they got a lot better at telling people to stay home in extreme weather. The paperwork OMG so much paper.

Talk about taking one for the team. I hope you had a speedy recovery.

Soontobe60 · 30/07/2024 17:27

TeaAndBrie · 30/07/2024 17:08

So many people work in an office without aircon. No one is comfortable in this heat if you’re in an office without air con at the moment. You’re being a bit of a princess by making an issue about it - clearly because you don’t want to go to the office

You do know that people actually die in extreme temperatures dont you? Would you say they were being ‘princesses’?
Here’s what the HSE says.
https://www.hse.gov.uk/temperature/employer/index.htm

Is it too cold or hot to work?

In offices or similar environments, the temperature in workplaces must be reasonable.

https://www.hse.gov.uk/temperature/employer/index.htm

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2024 17:27

Poppysmom22 · 30/07/2024 17:17

My boss did this the year it hit 42 degrees - after i collapsed in a dead faint at the top of the stairs fell down the whole flight then was sick all over as I came round and had to have an ambulance and it became reportable under riddor they got a lot better at telling people to stay home in extreme weather. The paperwork OMG so much paper.

OMG - you could have died.
Absolutely ridiculous not to allow reasonable adjustment in this heat.
Policies before people.

Brefugee · 30/07/2024 17:28

where i am there are laws about temperature in offices. when it gets above a certain temperature, you go home. Same in schools. And same when it gets below a certain temperature.

But in the UK you allowed your rights to be whittled away, so you don't have rules like this.

Kitkat1523 · 30/07/2024 17:28

You obviously don’t work for the nhs….never once worked in an air conditioned office in 30 years …. You are being a bit of a princess…. Just go in lightweight clothing

Kitkat1523 · 30/07/2024 17:29

Brefugee · 30/07/2024 17:28

where i am there are laws about temperature in offices. when it gets above a certain temperature, you go home. Same in schools. And same when it gets below a certain temperature.

But in the UK you allowed your rights to be whittled away, so you don't have rules like this.

Well get you

Floofydawg · 30/07/2024 17:29

BeaRF75 · 30/07/2024 17:26

Oh grow up, OP! It's part of the job, so just do it. You can't "refuse". Before the pandemic you wouldn't have thought twice about it, and thousands of people do fine in so-called hot and sweaty offices.

Before the pandemic I dictated my own WFH days. Because I'm senior enough and grown up enough to do that.

OP posts:
Soontobe60 · 30/07/2024 17:29

BeaRF75 · 30/07/2024 17:26

Oh grow up, OP! It's part of the job, so just do it. You can't "refuse". Before the pandemic you wouldn't have thought twice about it, and thousands of people do fine in so-called hot and sweaty offices.

Think about the savings in energy costs if offices didnt have to either be heated or cooled.

WFH is saving the planet!!!

Poppysmom22 · 30/07/2024 17:29

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 30/07/2024 17:27

Talk about taking one for the team. I hope you had a speedy recovery.

Cheers it wasn’t too bad because i was floppy apparently just a few bruises and a banged head. Thank you for your good wishes

Poppysmom22 · 30/07/2024 17:29

I’m a legend there now

Lovelynames123 · 30/07/2024 17:30

I've been working in a kitchen all day, sweat running down my back. All the kitchen staff are boiling but I can't just let them go home because it's hot. We have air-conditioning on the dining area, staff can have as many cold drinks and aircon breaks as they need, but we still need to work in the heat.

Get a neck fan, drink iced water, get a grip

Kitkat1523 · 30/07/2024 17:30

IMustDoMoreExercise · 30/07/2024 17:22

Of course you should get special treatment if you are suffering from the menopause.

Yeh of course 🙄

Createausername1970 · 30/07/2024 17:30

Brefugee · 30/07/2024 17:28

where i am there are laws about temperature in offices. when it gets above a certain temperature, you go home. Same in schools. And same when it gets below a certain temperature.

But in the UK you allowed your rights to be whittled away, so you don't have rules like this.

But it's not particularly hot at the moment.

TeaAndBrie · 30/07/2024 17:30

Soontobe60 · 30/07/2024 17:27

You do know that people actually die in extreme temperatures dont you? Would you say they were being ‘princesses’?
Here’s what the HSE says.
https://www.hse.gov.uk/temperature/employer/index.htm

Of course I do, but these are hardly ‘extreme’ temperatures 😂 out office was 32 degrees today - that’s winter temperatures in some places in the world.
often places that have much less available to make themselves comfortable than we do.
get a grip!