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What to do about my mentally ill brother?

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whatsinanameisthis · 29/07/2024 09:50

I imagine this post will be quite outing but oh well, if he knows its me and reads this I need to suck that up.

So background: i have a much younger brother, as well as a sister a year younger who I am very close to. My parents have bad mental health problems over the years and ‘complicated’ lives. They fell pregnant with my brother by accident when they were older parents, mum’s catholic so bish bash bosh, 9 months later a baby that they really were not able to care for. My sister and I looked after our brother until he was about 8 (i would say those years were stable and he was a happy, thriving kid), and then we left home and the wheels fell off. My parents would forget to feed him or get him up for school, he got involved in drugs and gangs and even as young as 12 would be out at night and no one knew where he was.

I tried lots of interventions over the years but ultimately felt I needed to live my own life, so I built a career, started a family of my own, as has my sister. We live in a different part of the country. My parents still have a lot of problems and are in denial about how badly he was let down. When he was 18 I helped him with uni applications and helped get him set up in a new town which was a fresh start of sorts, though now he is 30 and has still never had a job (more of this later).

Another important bit of background is that neurodiversity is quite prevalent in our family. My brother is clearly autistic though hasn’t been assessed. He thinks labels are pointless. He sees the world very differently to others, absolutely cannot take on board feedback or criticism, is selfish to the point where it’s clinical, no understanding of boundaries etc. This makes him quite vulnerable, he goes off with people he doesn’t know etc.

I’m making him sound awful. In a way he kind of is. But to me family is important. I love him and want him to be ok.

Even more background. Since uni he’s never had a job. My sister and I have helped him over the years gaining various professional qualifications that would allow him to work flexibly (he couldn’t face office work or anything like that). However he always has money. He travels a lot. Doesn’t live lavishly but he has more cash than someone unemployed and with zero generational wealth would logically have. Always a lot of cash / paper money too. It’s clear he does something illegal. He is a big guy but super-gentle so we assume nothing violent, so have basically never asked as we don’t want to incriminate ourselves. Maybe some sort of fraud or drugs.

Long way of getting to the point. There was a big family reunion in a foreign country this week. He showed up, got completely drunk and behaved appallingly, smashing up the rented place (in my name, my deposit), rude, ungrateful, scared the kids. Loads of detail that I don’t need to share. Not outright violent but very intimidating. We all slept with our doors locked. I’ve kicked him out and told him he needs to get help. It just feels like the last in a line of things of him showing up to things late, or off his face, or not at all. He never ever thinks to buy christmas presents or would never bring along a bottle to a dinner etc. just shows up, expects to be served and then goes off. I feel I can’t take it any more.

But underneath I am sure there is that sweet little boy who cried every day when I left for uni and used to call me to tell me about his day at school. I think he needs help but I’m not sure what help. He needs to not be a criminal. But I don’t know how to make him stop. He clearly needs to not drink, but I don’t think he’s an alcoholic - he doesn’t drink all that often but when he does it’s like a switch flips and he goes crazy.

I’ve decided I at the least won’t have him around my kids any longer.

I am interested if others have had similar experiences.

YANBU - just cut off contact and wait for him to want to change
YABU - you can / should help in some way and here is an idea

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FionnulaTheCooler · 29/07/2024 09:54

The smashing up the holiday accommodation would be the line in the sand for me and I'd cut contact. Ultimately you can't help someone who isn't willing to help themselves and he's an adult who will sooner or later have to face the consequences of his own actions.

ViciousCurrentBun · 29/07/2024 09:59

That would be enough, he scared your children and he was violent regardless of how you want to frame it.

I have a sister and as much as I do love her, behaviour different to your brother but very extreme. I had to cut her off for the sake of my sanity as did the rest of the sibling group. The least worse thing she has done is steal huge amounts of money from family members.

Catza · 29/07/2024 10:10

You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. He is not interested in "labels" so MH services are out. He can't cope with a job despite you best efforts and he seems to have some sort of a scheme going to support himself. We don't know if it is illegal or not so not much you can do there either.
Ultimately, yes, he may be a nice little boy inside but it is not your job to drag it out of him. He is an adult and has capacity to make his own decisions. He decided not to get help and that is the end of the matter.

whatsinanameisthis · 29/07/2024 10:14

Catza · 29/07/2024 10:10

You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. He is not interested in "labels" so MH services are out. He can't cope with a job despite you best efforts and he seems to have some sort of a scheme going to support himself. We don't know if it is illegal or not so not much you can do there either.
Ultimately, yes, he may be a nice little boy inside but it is not your job to drag it out of him. He is an adult and has capacity to make his own decisions. He decided not to get help and that is the end of the matter.

😢

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purplecorkheart · 29/07/2024 10:24

You cannot help him if he is not willing to get help.

However you can help your own kids. The poor things must have been terrified. The smashing up the holiday house and aggression in front of the kids would cause me to very low contact.

DaniMontyRae · 29/07/2024 10:52

Smashing up a place is outright violence. Making people so scared they have to lock their bedroom door is violence. You need to protect your children and yourself.

whatsinanameisthis · 29/07/2024 11:02

@purplecorkheart @DaniMontyRae i should say kids were asleep during the drunken outburst! They are more unnerved by his behaviour. A few times he told them ‘don’t tell your mum’ where he had been too rough for example and they know none of the other adults in their lives would ever say this. So even though he didn’t hurt them in any way they are now very wary of him and don’t see him as a safe person. I guess this is good and they’ve been taught well.

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DrinkFeckArseBrick · 29/07/2024 11:09

Hi OP

I'm sorry, from what you've written I think you need to accept there is nothing you can do. He had a difficult start in life and overcoming that would require him to want to change and put in significant effort for what would be a very hard process. There is literally nothing that you or that anyone else could do to help with this process, particularly if he doesn't take perceived criticism well.

You could write him a letter and detail everything you've said here, but I'm not sure it will be read how you intend it. If you think he is a danger to himself or others you could call mental health services or the police but I don't think anything will happen if he isn't in the middle of a violent outburst

HelenaWaiting · 29/07/2024 11:28

Sounds like an experience similar to mine, although not a brother in my case. My relative is stable now, but also 30 and never had a job. He desperately wants a job and what he terms a "normal" life and frequently asks me to help him. But how do you get a job when you're 30 and have never worked. Anyone got any ideas? He has a first-class honours degree.

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