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How many women lived like Jenny from An Education in the 1960's?

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PortiaPleasesNoOne · 28/07/2024 00:51

I've just seen it for the first time. It completely floored me, not only how differently we viewed fully grown men praying on young women but how little women had to aspire to in the sixties.
Her poor mum, all the cooking and cleaning, married to that boorish man. Or her school teachers. They're the only women she saw. I couldn't help but think that I would feel the same, drawn to the nightclubs and Paris. Yet how vulnerable that made her?

So glad things have changed.

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Ponoka7 · 28/07/2024 01:06

My DD was shocked when she watched classic coronation street. Deidre Barlow was being told to get home to her husband when canvassing for council votes and 15 year old Jenny was singing in nightclubs. The miniseries 'The Cops' sums up the 90's. It was all a matter of luck what type of husband you got and how much you could accept underachieving.

Edingril · 28/07/2024 01:12

Lots do

courtyardofhope · 28/07/2024 01:13

What is this documentary?

ButterFleye · 28/07/2024 06:26

Which story are you responding to. This app might work better on a phone but I am on a PC looking at it first time and I can't see what you are referring to...
Yours is the first post I have read on this site.

MeAgainAndAgain · 28/07/2024 06:31

@ButterFleye @courtyardofhope

It says in the title. An Education.

An Education - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Education

Elsvieta · 28/07/2024 13:15

courtyardofhope · 28/07/2024 01:13

What is this documentary?

Not a documentary, "An Education" which is a memoir by Lynn Barber. OP is talking about the film of the same title based on it.

The teenage Lynn was very clever and studying with the aim of getting into Oxford. She got involved with a much older man (30+ I think), who turned out to be a con man in some sort of financial trouble as well as married.

Lynn's mother thought he was marvellous and encouraged the relationship and thought Lynn should just forget about Oxford and marry him - after all, he's a respectable man with a good job etc, so why would a woman want or aim for anything else? Why would a girl even want to go to university except to find a man with money or at least good career prospects?

Lynn saw sense in time, ditched him, went to Oxford and became a great journalist.

Elsvieta · 28/07/2024 13:16

ButterFleye · 28/07/2024 06:26

Which story are you responding to. This app might work better on a phone but I am on a PC looking at it first time and I can't see what you are referring to...
Yours is the first post I have read on this site.

"An Education", the film based on the memoir of the same title by Lynn Barber.

Turophilic · 28/07/2024 13:44

It’s a very good film. Carey Mulligan is wonderful.

ButterFleye · 28/07/2024 15:28

Thanks courtyard

Allthehorsesintheworld · 28/07/2024 15:39

Dgd was shocked watching Call the Midwife. Couldn’t believe how young women were treated for being unmarried and pregnant, babies removed for adoption.
I was at school in the 60s, only daughter in a family of sons. I was definitely the family skivvy, even made to scrape frozen dog shit up with just that shiny toilet paper and my hands ( aged 11) My mother would say loudly it was never worth sending a girl to university, they’d only get married and have children.
Oh it was joyful.

Acapulco12 · 28/07/2024 15:44

Funnily enough, I was thinking about An Education in relation to another thread on here. (It’s the thread where an OP writes about her marriage to a much older man and posters are suspecting the marriage is abusive). It also struck me in comparison to another thread (the one about Ballerina Farm, an American influencer).

Sorry to refer to another thread, as I don’t think I’m allowed to do that. However, this comparison really struck me. I know that, in an An Education, Carey Mulligan’s character/Lynn Barber (the actual author of the memoir the film was based on) doesn’t marry the older man she has the relationship with, but I wonder how the marriage would have turned out for her if she did.

Lovetotravel123 · 28/07/2024 15:55

It’s a really good film. The scene where she asks her teacher what the point of going to Cambridge is when the outcome is just becoming a teacher, is an interesting one. I didn’t go to Oxbridge but I often also question whether there is any point in trying academically, because the most successful of my peers didn’t really try at school, had fun, and had good careers anyway.

Cookiecrumblane · 28/07/2024 16:04

@Acapulco12 but that's because she discovers he's already married, otherwise she would have married him and abandoned her dreams.

DoraSpenlow · 28/07/2024 16:06

In about 1970/71 my boss applied for an increase in salary for me as I had taken on extra work. It was denied because I would have been getting more than the lowest paid male in the organisation.

Angrymum22 · 28/07/2024 16:18

Allthehorsesintheworld · 28/07/2024 15:39

Dgd was shocked watching Call the Midwife. Couldn’t believe how young women were treated for being unmarried and pregnant, babies removed for adoption.
I was at school in the 60s, only daughter in a family of sons. I was definitely the family skivvy, even made to scrape frozen dog shit up with just that shiny toilet paper and my hands ( aged 11) My mother would say loudly it was never worth sending a girl to university, they’d only get married and have children.
Oh it was joyful.

My DM was a midwife in the early 60s. Unfortunately she died well before the books or series were released but she could have written them.

She used to regale us with horror stories when we were young. It certainly discouraged us from having babies as teenagers. But she was disgusted by the way young girls were treated in labour and refused to let them suffer, advocating for pain relief and compassion. It didn’t make her popular with the old school but she just couldn’t stand by and let 12yr olds left on their own.

She also would sit and nurse the babies who were born with severe disabilities not compatible with life. Often the mothers could not deal with them and refused to have anything to do with them. Without scans the disabilities were often severe, we don’t see them nowadays because they are detected early and terminations are offered.

She worked part time until my youngest sister was born and then was a SAHM for 5 yrs. she then became a TA and finally went back into nursing when we were mid teens.

She didn’t need to work but had always wanted a career. She wanted to be a doctor but my grandparents were very firm that she had to leave school at 16. Any money available was for her younger brothers’ education.

As a result she was determined that her daughters would have the opportunities she wasn’t afforded.

Her legacy is three daughters, two dentists and a marine biologist with two degrees and a PhD.

Her grandchildren will be third generation university graduates.

Although we all have my DF’s natural intelligence we owe our passion, empathy and drive to my DM.

I was a 70s/80s child, not much had really changed and I remember being patronised by older generations when they discovered where my ambitions lay. Most women were still expected to marry and give up their career. But my generation of professionals were the ones to carry on after marriage and children. A significant number set up or bought into dental practices, I was one of them. Then successfully run a business despite the lack of confidence by male colleagues. Now there are more women qualifying in dentistry and many of them own their own practices.

I would say we were lucky, but it was often hard work. There was still a great deal of misogyny and discrimination from the profession. Even as late as the mid eighties the universities were still operating a discriminatory admissions policy. So many girls, back then, had no idea that their failure to get a place on a course was actually the universities acting illegally, since the Sex discrimination act was being ignored.

Murpe · 28/07/2024 16:22

I know this depiction of limited expectations for bright young women resonated with my mother, who is the same age as Lynn Barber - my mum read the book, don't think she saw the film of it.

I remember there's that line about (and I am paraphrasing) "it's not enough to give us an education, you need to tell us why you're doing it". So, when studying English at uni in the early 60s, my mother was told by a tutor that the only path open to her with this degree was really to become an English teacher. There's that scene in the film where Jenny is dismissive of teaching being a particularly thrilling prospect, when in conversation with one of her school teachers. So, in my mother's case, she dropped out of Uni and went off to have a rather more interesting, 1960s-London experience for her 20s instead. She went back later in life though and finished a degree!

crumblingschools · 28/07/2024 16:26

My MIL was discouraged from doing well in the 11+ as she needed to leave school as soon as possible (15) to get a job and pay towards household expenses. She didn’t need a career or qualifications as she was going to get married and gave babies

She got married before she was 20.

She worked in a department store before having children. Once she was pregnant she couldn’t be seen on the shop floor and they didn’t have maternity uniform. Very much expected to leave once she had the baby. This was in the 70s

My DM went to grammar school so slightly more enlightened times for her

Astrabees · 26/01/2025 13:31

Yes, a lot of well educated women did “just” get married and have children. One of my old college friends had parents who met at Cambridge University, married the summer they graduated and his mother never worked. Of course in those days one decent income would pay for a nice detached house and one or two cars, plus perhaps private school fees. Doctors, Vets and all the other professionals had it much better in those days .

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