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To worry when 3YO says I don't love him?

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worrying48923 · 26/07/2024 21:55

My 3yo son and I had a lovely long day at the park today. Things were going pretty well until shower and bedtime, where he was running around refusing to get into the shower. At showertime he was raining punches and smacks on my stomach and legs despite me telling him to stop. Then when teeth brushing he shoved his book in his face, blocking the way for me to get the toothbrush into his mouth. I wasn’t reactive because I had other things on my mind so it was easy to detach myself from what he was doing. He can be extremely lovely and helpful so he knows these are unacceptable ways to behave, especially as I constantly correct and model appropriate behaviour to him.

Bedtime came around and usually we have a story and a few silly games. However this evening I was a bit fed up and said no, we will not be doing any stories or playing our games, if you choose to behave nastily to me then we won’t have our nice bedtime routine. I hugged and tucked him in pretty nonchalantly. He moaned and cried loudly for several mins. When I went back in he said nobody loves him or wants him. I said “No, I and (family members) love you very much, but that behaviour is not on, and the consequence is no fun bedtime. People will not want to play with you if you are rude to them. And just because you don’t always get what you want, doesn’t mean I don’t love you.” I tucked him back in and told him I loved him again, he was still upset but went to bed quietly after that.

I have heard “you don’t love me” from him before. It’s still surprising and worrying to hear. The “nobody wants me” is new. Am I being too harsh on him, or too curt? He is a very anxious, sensitive and bright boy. He frequently has difficult and defiant behaviour at home, and so there can be friction between us, but lots of “rupture and repair” happening too. He is told he is loved every day, and showered with hugs and kisses.

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Mumoftwo1316 · 26/07/2024 21:58

It's just a thing kids say, isn't it? They come out with all kinds of dramatic rubbish. My 3yo has said it too, I know she knows it's rubbish, she's just lashing out in an emotional moment

Echobelly · 26/07/2024 22:00

He's just testing boundaries. Your message was very clear that you loved him, he just isn't very good yet (and some adults aren't) about hearing criticism of his behaviour and probably hoped you'd come and tell him his behaviour was OK or something. I wouldn't ascribe any deep meaning to it.

sleekcat · 26/07/2024 22:00

He does love you, he said it because he didn't get what he wanted from you in that moment. Don't worry about it.

Aposterhasnoname · 26/07/2024 22:02

Completely normal. You’re doing exactly the right thing.

user1471538275 · 26/07/2024 22:03

He's 3. He doesn't understand the concept of love.

He knows it's a generally good thing to be loved and that he gets a reaction when he says he doesn't love you.

In reality you are his world at 3 and he adores you, misses you when you're not there and needs you whenever he feels sad or hurt - he's just mad at you at the moment.

Littlebluebird123 · 26/07/2024 22:04

IME this isn't a real 'noone loves me' but his way of expressing an emotion he is feeling but not having the language to do so.
He may be using it to seek extra reassurance. It may be that he feels bad about being unkind and is feeling guilty but doesn't know how to explain that.
One of mine is very similar and I believe she has RSD. (Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria.) If there's a hint of disappointment, or if she's done something wrong she will say that noone loves her or cares about her. But really it's her way of seeking a connection and a cuddle. She wants to be sure I forgive her and love her. She is shown plenty of love and affection but just seems to need to be reminded more than most.

Screamingabdabz · 26/07/2024 22:05

“He is a very anxious, sensitive and bright boy. He frequently has difficult and defiant behaviour at home, and so there can be friction between us, but lots of “rupture and repair” happening too.”

Even more reason why he needs you to be assertive, loving and consistently maintaining those boundaries. Keep up the good work op. Don’t doubt yourself.

cestlavielife · 26/07/2024 22:07

He was tired
You had a long day at the park

HoppityBun · 26/07/2024 22:12

Just say “that’s ok. I love you”

Ioverslept · 26/07/2024 22:13

Have you asked him why he thinks/says that?

Vrunkydunk · 26/07/2024 22:17

I really think this is often just a way to articulate the feeling of guilt as it's a complex emotion to sit with and it's natural to seek reassurance. I think what you're doing is right.

cestlavielife · 26/07/2024 22:19

Ioverslept · 26/07/2024 22:13

Have you asked him why he thinks/says that?

He is three ! He barely know what it means

ClaustrophobicKipper · 26/07/2024 22:22

He either wanted reassurance that you still loved him after the no fun bedtime etc.

Or he knows he wasn't behaving tonight and is sad about it. And checking to see you still love him.

I agree it's totally normal for kids to say. My daughter is 7 and still says it every so often, usually after a bad day. It's a nice opportunity to make them feel special and remind them how much you love them.

AquaFurball · 26/07/2024 22:25

Just wait til he tells you he's going to go eat worms.

Keep telling him you love him. Well done for letting him know that actions have consequences. Next time he behaves like that remind him at the time of the consequences too. I know it's hard when you have other things on your mind as well and just want to get him ready for bed.

Mumoftwo1316 · 26/07/2024 22:39

Ioverslept · 26/07/2024 22:13

Have you asked him why he thinks/says that?

Don't do this. The last thing you need is more drama when emotions are running high.

Just be bright and breezy, "You know I love you, come on now, time for bed"

Sitdownrosa · 26/07/2024 22:41

My dd was exactly like that at this age. She has been diagnosed with adhd aged 8. She cannot cope with being told off and if we do, her reaction is over the top. She has rejection sensitivity disorder as part of her neurodiversity. Even if yours is NT, it might be worth reading up on it to give you some insight into why he might have said that.

Also, he's only little. Did you warn him you were going to take away his nice bedtime routine? Did he have the chance to connect his behavior with losing the security of his bedtime routine?

One thing i have always done with my dc is no matter how pissed off i am or difficult they've been, they always get their usual bedtime routine - story, song, cuddles.

Mumoftwo1316 · 26/07/2024 22:41

Although rereading your story, I do think your consequence was a bit harsh. If you're going to have "fun bedtime" as part of your evening routine (not advisable imo!!) then it shouldn't be conditional on anything. The evening routine is the evening routine. It's very jarring for a kid to change the evening routine suddenly with no warning

Mumoftwo1316 · 26/07/2024 22:42

Cross posted with @sitdownrosa but I agree with her

Inastatus · 26/07/2024 22:51

I don’t think you need to worry about him saying I don’t love you, that’s just what kids say and don’t always mean. However I think bedtime is the worst time to impose punishment for his actions. It’s a very sensitive time of day when kids are usually tired and emotional, Never go to bed on an argument.

salamithumbs · 26/07/2024 22:53

It might be that he's meaning 'love' in a different way than you think. I remember being very young, my baby brother had just been born and I was talking to my mum about people we loved. I mentioned matter of factly that she didn't love me when she was cross with me and she said ' no, I always love you.' I remember being really confused and trying to make sense of it. But it was just that I interpreted the word love as 'feeling affectionate towards', in that moment, rather than anything deeper or more long term. So I think it wasn't that I doubted that she loved me, in the true sense of the word, it was just that I thought 'I love you ' meant ' I'm feeling happy with you right now.' I would have been maybe 3 at the time but I remember it clearly because I found it so puzzling at the time.
Sorry I feel I'm not explaining myself well but just trying to point out that 3 year olds don't always have the language to express exactly what they mean and might interpret things in a certain way! Doesn't mean that they don't feel loved

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 26/07/2024 23:03

I don't think I could ever withhold a bedtime story, games etc fine, (not that I encourage ds to get excited at that time of day anyway!) but that cosy bedtime story cuddle has been part of DS' routine more or less from birth, if I suddenly said no to that he'd be bereft.
Clear boundaries and consequences yes, no bedtime story seems really harsh. Him telling you you don't love him is him telling you how hurt he is by skipping this routine.

Mathsbabe · 26/07/2024 23:30

No matter what had happened we made sure that bedtime was always as lovely as we could make it. I'd have had an immediate sanction or forgotten about it. My 2 year old told me "You're not my mummy" whenever I told her off. I totally ignored it for a year and by then she had more choices.
One day she fell out with me and said Your Not My Mummy. Shortly afterwards she came to me to complain about her brother. I replied "I thought I wasn't your Mummy." And that was the end of "you're not my mummy"
But bedtime is sacrosanct and was full of love

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