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British kids and eating habits - IABU ?

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lovemycoffee2 · 23/07/2024 16:17

I have two young kids and we live in the UK but we are not originally from here.

At home we cook everyday from scratch our food and we take that food at a lunch box at our workplace. We have a light dinner again made from scratch.

The issue is our kids which are of course going to school/nursery and they love to copy their friends!

In the UK it's healthy if a kid eats sausages (god knows what the meat has inside), or for example Heinz baked beans which have 10% sugar and 20% salt (leaving 70% being actual beans) or if they eat fish fingers which are pre-fried (even if you bake them they were already fried before got frozen) or chicken nuggets (again pre-fried which god knows what was the oil quality).

It's also acceptable to drink juices which have no sugar but plenty sweeteners.

Also, it's perfectly fine to have a ham sandwich for lunch which has ready made processed bread full of emulsifiers and ham which (like sausage) god knows what ingredients has.

It's ok that primary schools offer desserts, even if they are small portions and low sugar on a daily basis - not on a weekly or as special occasion! I don't have a dessert everyday, why my kid is offered one?

Honestly, are all these things ok? Am I paranoid?

I am very worried that the kids will either end up obsessed. with diabetes or with other health issues given all the processed food and the fact that we are what we eat.

YABU - are you crazy?

YANBU - unfortunately this is a "balanced healthy diet" in the UK!

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Hopebridge · 23/07/2024 18:48

Just to say the fish fingers and chicken dippers at my child's school are homemade. So it's possible they are at your child's school too?

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FrivolousKitchenRollUse · 23/07/2024 18:48

Est1990 · 23/07/2024 18:46

You dont need to be rude or be offended. People are free to have opinions.
The time you spending replying to me you could be in the kitchen cooking decently

I meal prep when I'm training so already had my chicken and broccoli thanks.

GoFaster83 · 23/07/2024 18:48

I don't believe for a second that you're from another country or that these are your views. I'm only replying for anyone who is gullible enough to take you seriously and may believe you're making a good point.

jannier · 23/07/2024 18:48

lovemycoffee2 · 23/07/2024 16:49

Only if it's socially awkward not to let them or if I make them feel different. In these instances I let them eat whatever, otherwise I don't let them.

Having cared for children parented like this wait for them to become sweet obsessed and spend all their money on it once they have the freedom to do so.

Mirabai · 23/07/2024 18:48

It’s not all schools. There’s quite a big divide between private and state schools in terms of food quality. Private schools simply wouldn’t get away with serving some of the shite state school students are expected to eat.

CandyLeBonBon · 23/07/2024 18:49

NotAlexa · 23/07/2024 16:30

I hear you OP. I'm also from the continent and British kids (as adults too) have atrocious diets. I did not know what chocolate was until 7 years of age, and was only allowed fruit for the sweet tooth. To this day, I do not want chocolate, because I am not addicted to it like to an opioid.

Kids menu's on the continent are also significantly better - there are no chicken nuggets and pizza's; kids eat what adults eat, just smaller portions!

We also don't have a problem with children and tantrums. Somehow european kids palates are well developed and they simply don't want unhealthy stuff.

Also there is something to be said regarding the fact that we introduce babies to solids at 4 months old, in the UK they all look at me like I'm an alien. 😅And we get them potty trained as soon as they can sit!

I would say, for the sake of your kids try to explain to them the back of the ingredients list on packaging and definitely show them pictures of obese people so they know what can be the result of sugar/aspartame overdose and processed food eating. Definitely going to do that to my DD when she is old enough to read.

Hahaha continental children don't eat unhealthily? When I was in Germany as a teen, I was sent off with a packed lunch of chocolate sandwiches!!!

thankyoujeremy · 23/07/2024 18:49

Est1990 · 23/07/2024 18:20

Mainly yes, on the weekend he also cleaned the house. He also drove us as my mum didn't drive. (My mum was a drinker for many years and had cancer. She is much stable now but wont to do much apart from putting clothes in the wash and dryer or make rice and cook a steak). He is my hero and a proper man (in case there was sarcasm in your question)

Thanks for elaborating - I have to say that he does indeed sound like he deserves his hero status. I don't know how he fitted it all in! But you have been very fortunate to have such a good role model in your life. I'm not sure many could match him. x

RainintheDesert · 23/07/2024 18:49

OP why not just give your kids what you want to and if they complain that their mates are eating xyz then just say TOUGH.

My daughter was sent to school with a ham, cheese or tuna sandwich, a piece of fruit, a penguin bar and some crisps for most of her school career. She walks EVERYWHERE. She's slim and healthy. That was my standard of lunches.

But you do you!

Honestly, every family's budget, culture, time management and ability is different. I wouldn't judge, personally.

HotCrossBunplease · 23/07/2024 18:49

HaveYouSeenRain · 23/07/2024 18:45

Thank you! Well written. It’s not a culture war people!

OK, so was there any reason whatsoever for OP (a) to mention that she was not from the UK or (b) to suggest that entire country endorses the unhealthy eating that she has observed?

muggart · 23/07/2024 18:50

FuzzyStripes · 23/07/2024 16:24

I don’t think any of the “healthy” things you have written about are healthy or that anyone thinks this.

The main unhealthy concern that stands out to me is your attitude to food and that’s often the cause of an eating disorder in children in itself.

Nonsense. Parents who cook from scratch are not the problem in this country. Parents who feed their kids junk food absolutely are.

OP - i completely agree with you. I'm British and it's so depressing having to raise children in an environment where poor eating habits are normalised. Currently I live in portugal thank god and the nurseries all serve soup made from a protein & 2 vegetables, the kids have this every day. Healthy eating is so achievable if it's normalised.

Mirabai · 23/07/2024 18:50

GoFaster83 · 23/07/2024 18:48

I don't believe for a second that you're from another country or that these are your views. I'm only replying for anyone who is gullible enough to take you seriously and may believe you're making a good point.

That’s right no-one on the internet lives anywhere but the U.K. And no-one things nuggets and burgers don’t really qualify as food.

MumChp · 23/07/2024 18:50

NotAlexa · 23/07/2024 16:33

Bullion/seasonal salad for starters, fish/meat fillet for main with fibre rich vegetables as garnish, and any fruit for dessert. Would like to know if there are ANY schools which do this, as this is very standard school meal ration in all Scandi countries + France and Netherlands.

Most kids in Denmark have packed lunches. School dinners are not a big thing.

SummerDays2020 · 23/07/2024 18:50

Safaribar · 23/07/2024 17:45

I live on a street with 5 new builds and a bunch of old cottages. Right now, all 13 children living in the street are out playing in those houses in the garden. Some of the kids are running back and forth between my garden and some of the neighbours (we are all fine with this). My eldest has also just had 2 friends walk from their house down to ours to play in the street. there are literally kids everywhere in my village.

Lots of DC out playing here too. Either out the front or in the gardens. The parks and playgrounds are busy too. I'm not sure what it is that makes the difference?

thankyoujeremy · 23/07/2024 18:50

Mirabai · 23/07/2024 18:48

It’s not all schools. There’s quite a big divide between private and state schools in terms of food quality. Private schools simply wouldn’t get away with serving some of the shite state school students are expected to eat.

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That's because it is paid for by the parents. The government fund the food for reception to yr 2

NasiDagang · 23/07/2024 18:50

All this talk about the wonderful British food has made me hungry. I would kill for a sausage sandwich, can't eat it because I'm suffering from high cholesterol. Those good old days (sigh).

SummerDays2020 · 23/07/2024 18:52

AzureAnt · 23/07/2024 17:52

Oh god me too. Nobody seems.to allowed to pass peacefully anymore. When I get to that age, if I have capacity I will have a DNAR and no life lengthening treatments x

Get a power of attorney and then your wishes can still be respected even if you've lost capacity. DNARs are a medical decision, though not a choice for the individual.

SummerDays2020 · 23/07/2024 18:53

thankyoujeremy · 23/07/2024 18:50

That's because it is paid for by the parents. The government fund the food for reception to yr 2

What's the excuse for Secondary then?

IAmTooOldFor · 23/07/2024 18:54

Yes, I think you’re being unreasonable for a host of reasons:

  1. you’re treating this as a British problem. I’ve been to Malta, there’s plenty of obesity there too!
  2. our education system is on its knees. If you want better quality food I suggest you pay for it yourself - try private school - because there aren’t the funds for it to come out of taxes at present. (“Healthy” food itself may be cheaper than processed but the time, effort and expertise to prepare it isn’t)
  3. unhealthy eating habits are created at home - frequently by parents who take a hard line on what is “bad” vs “good” food instead of teaching all things in moderation.
  4. my mum home cooked everything including ice cream, bread and on occasion her version of baked beans. My dad has a sweet tooth and there was pudding after every cooked meal and some form of cake at teatime every single day I and my 3 siblings were home. No sign of diabetes or a single BMI over 24 for the 4 generations that I’ve personally known so far.

in summary, don’t give your child a complex, get them involved in cooking and let them enjoy food of all types. My 5 year old has recently discovered how easy it is to make choux pastry so for the time being all play dates are requested to involve profiteroles - cheesy or sweet!

2dogsandabudgie · 23/07/2024 18:54

SilverPiscis · 23/07/2024 18:43

People get so defensive!

It is a shame that this thread has turned into a culture/country war...and that most people are not willing to have an open discussion about this, most british people feel attacked because a foreigner dares to point this out...

Of course no country is perfect, and there would be kids eating badly in all countries, but there are differences. As a poster mentioned earlier, you wouln't be served that menu at a school in France/Italy/Spain. Individual families can eat what they want/can. For me that type of menu, with pudding everyday In a school is giving kids an awful education about food.

I am also european, and I love the UK, by the way, thats why I have settled here. I clearly like the UK more than my home country on the whole, otherwise I wouldnt be living here, that does not mean foreigners cannot have a negative opinion about something...

Of course people get defensive about their country. It's a bit like when someone criticises a member of your family and you stick up for them. You can criticise that family member but woe betide anyone else who does!

Mirabai · 23/07/2024 18:54

thankyoujeremy · 23/07/2024 18:50

That's because it is paid for by the parents. The government fund the food for reception to yr 2

Right and there’s no reason why they couldn’t provide more money for state school meals if it was seen as important, as they’re currently supporting poor nutrition and obesity.

Safaribar · 23/07/2024 18:55

Est1990 · 23/07/2024 18:46

You dont need to be rude or be offended. People are free to have opinions.
The time you spending replying to me you could be in the kitchen cooking decently

Person who is rude tells person who they were rude to not to be offended by their rudeness and not be rude back?

Mirabai · 23/07/2024 18:55

2dogsandabudgie · 23/07/2024 18:54

Of course people get defensive about their country. It's a bit like when someone criticises a member of your family and you stick up for them. You can criticise that family member but woe betide anyone else who does!

I don’t get defensive about my country.

Safaribar · 23/07/2024 18:57

JollyPinkFox · 23/07/2024 18:46

They do. If OP was wrong, people wouldn’t need to be defensive. School food is pretty unhealthy, people are scoffing at OP identifying ham sandwiches when they are literally processed crap. It’s a shame we can’t want better for our kids and start making xenophobic comments when a ‘foreigner’ points it out. There’s a reason we have an obesity epidemic in this country…

OP's country also has an obesity crisis. Just saying...

OhHelloMiss · 23/07/2024 18:57

Never have I known anyone so obsessed with pudding!! Op get over yourself

British kids have had puddings with school dinners for years

Keep ya kid off its iPad and it can run around and burn it off. Goady nasty thread

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