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77 year old uncle being letchy

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summerishere2024 · 23/07/2024 15:41

My 77 year old sort of uncle has recently got back in touch with me after my aunt died. He's not really an uncle as my aunt was my real blood related uncle's ex wife, so this one is her second husband. Anyway, not sure if it's relevant really but just background. Anyway, I've known him since I was a child and he's always been normal and I've just regarded him as an uncle. He's clearly very lonely since my aunt died two years ago and since getting in contact with me a few months ago has messaged and emailed me quite a lot. My aunt had got dementia so I hadn't seen her or them for 10 years because she became very nasty when I had my first child (now know it was the early dementia) but I coudn't risk my son around her so I did not stay in touch with her. I've never regretted that decision as she was so terrible and I wasn't blood related and she has plenty of other family of her own, although no children.

SO, we have had a lot to catch up on me and this sort-of-uncle. Anyway, back to the question. Some of the messages have had a lot of sexual innuendo in them, telling me to put on a bikini when I say I've got to go as got to clean or something like that. I am very straightforward person and always say something when someone says something like this to me. So, I have said things like "It's 2024, its not appropriate to say things like that anymore".

I've had quite a time of it myself in the last 10 years, experiencing an abusive relationship, and having to leave the family home because of it. I am still going through the family court with it and its been very stressful. I've managed though, and feel like I'm finally getting my life back. Since my uncle getting back in touch with me this year, there has been a resurfacing of post separation abuse from my ex and an escalation in court appearances etc. My sort-of-uncle has asked a lot about this, and the couple of times I've seen him before this last weekend have been fine, he's asked a lot of questions, we've chatted and I've shared personal information, he has too about what seems to have been quite an abusive relationship he had from my aunt, especially in the last dementia years. He also leant me some money, I didn't ask for it, he offered and I said no for quite a while but as it was going to help get the ex of my back quicker I took him up on it with the agreement of paying it back asap, which is in a few months, and I intend to add interest.

Unfortunately, we've just been to visit - the first time since he leant me the money 6 weeks ago, and it seems like he feels that now he's done that I seem to owe him something if you know what I mean.... I've never had this experience before with an older relative and am completly stumped at what to do. All of my own family have died, and so I don't have anyone to ask. This visit he started sort of taking the piss out of me for my comment about it being 2024 and it was inappropriate to make dirty comments to women, and I just said yes it is. Then he was like "Oh poor me, I'm in trouble with mummy/teacher..." blah blah - it was so uncomforable and sickening really. He kept on bringing it up, I didn't. Then he started trying to grab me, and last night when I was washing up he came up behind me and put his arm around my waist and then slid it down, all the while going "You must tell me how much the supermarket shop was I will pay you back" - I froze, then moved out of the way quickly, and he then sort of said in a patronising voice "You're just like X" his wife who died...(turned out she didn't want to be close with him for much of their relationship). ANYWAY, as i'm writing this I'm realising how much I've been affected by this - is that normal do you think? I've literally never been hit on by an old man, I mean proper old man, I am 53 and it makes my skin crawl to be honest.

There was a power cut last night so thankfully when children went to bed I did too to keep them company. But then this morning, as soon as the children went outside he started talking about it AGAIN. Going, "Why are you upset with me?" even though i'd been polite and had not shown any anger or anything. Tbh it felt like being back in my abusive relationship where he'd flip out and then challenge me if i showed a flicker of reaction to it....I just said, "Look I don't think you would speak to your other nieces like that so I just don't understand why you would do it to me, and why you think it is ok" he then took the piss yet again not taking any responsibilty and saying "I'm an old man, its just my generation, don't know why you're so upset", and so I did get pretty adamant and said "You know I've been in an abusive relationship and so there was not a lot of respect flying around, and you know I am alone without family so I don't feel comfortable with this sexual innuendo the whole time and I think that is ok to say, especially if you ask me, its just not respectful". He then said stuff like "Well I'm sorry you're overreacting, that you're cross at me..." etc etc... Anyway, we left soon after that instead of this evening, I just made an excuse that the kids wanted to get home and there wasn't any power which was making it hard, we were all smiles and I bought him coffee at the station so we didn't leave on bad terms but it was awkward and uncomforable, AND he still touched my knee in the car which I reacted to and then he put his hand on my breast and pretended it was an accident because I'd pushed his hand away, all with my boys in the back!!!

Not sure if Im really asking if I'm being unreasonable as I know I'm not, I suppose i want to know is there any chance I have overreacted because of the domestic abuse I've experienced, that's more my question I think. I didn't sleep last night as I was so shaken by it. I feel really sad as it was nice to be back in touch, where he lives is a place I've know all my life, before he was on the scene so it feels like home to me and I have nice memories. My kids like being there, and had liked him before this too, but I sensed they picked up on his weird behaviour too so they seemed to be relieved to be home. I don't know, has anyone else experienced this? I feel really sad. Obviously I will pay him the money back asap, he also kept on saying I didn't need to, but I always intended too and definitely will as I pay my way always. I guess it was just nice having a bit of family back for a while, chatting about the olden days, and especially after everything I've been through as the abuse happened after my family died. But deep breaths, it's not right is it? Why do old men do this? I have been wondering too, what's wrong with me that he thought it was ok? I didnt see him doing this to his neighbour who is the same age as me, but has a husband. Is it because i'm single, is it because im friendly and have been supportive and listening and trying to help him with getting back on his feet as he's been grieving a lot at the year anniversary of my aunts death. Can anyone explain to me why he did this, what could I have done differently to stop this from happening? I won't go back, which is a bit sad, especially for my kids as they don't have granparents so this was the closest they had ever had and they did love being there but I can't do it at my expense can I? I feel really disrespected and upset and like there's a really bad taste in my mouth I can't get rid of. I feel deflated and sad. Anyway, interested in the Mumsnetters thoughts, I wonder what your take is on this?

OP posts:
WasThatACorner · 23/07/2024 15:49

None of that is OK.

He did it because he felt like he could. It's not a case of you should've done anything different.

You were kind and supportive.

He saw an opportunity.

Honestly, don't beat yourself up about this. Send him a message saying that you felt very uncomfortable and won't be contacting him anymore. Detail when the money he lent to you will be paid back and block him.

I hope you're OK and you can focus on having a lovely summer with your boys.

courgettes4eva · 23/07/2024 15:53

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Bersham · 23/07/2024 16:02

You don't have to put up with his awful behaviour. Keep away from him. Some old men get like this if they are starting with dementia but whatever it is it is not acceptable.

Poachedeggavocado · 23/07/2024 16:02

Do not overthink this. He's vile. Do not see him again. There are a few responses to danger; fight, flight, freeze or fawn . Guess you froze, don't let the situation arise again, ever. Or get your right hook ready next time. Dirty lecherous bastard could do with a good slap by the sounds of it.

cupcaske123 · 23/07/2024 16:32

There were red flags before you went to his, innuendos etc Then he was dismissive of your feelings and making himself out to be an innocent victim of political correctness when you chastised him.

He then made several passes at you touching your knee then grabbing at your breast all of which were completely out of order. In retrospect it was a bad idea to borrow money from him.

It's difficult to know why he behaved like this. Dementia can cause you to behave inappropriately but from the sounds of it he just doesn't have appropriate boundaries around women. With hindsight there were red flags from the start and his behaviour escalated.

Give him back his money and don't contact him again.

MereDintofPandiculation · 23/07/2024 16:54

If he wasn’t like this before, there is a possibility he too is starting with dementia. Loss of inhibition can be an early symptom.

You have done nothing to cause this, and you shouldn’t have to put up with it.

YABU to say “Why do old men do this?”.

BMW6 · 23/07/2024 16:59

Tell him to fuck off but make sure you pay back the loan.

Tell him he's a sleazy git and you will have nothing to do with him but he will get his money back by bank transfer/cheque.

Urgh.

JMSA · 23/07/2024 16:59

Yuk. Keep the money and block the old fucker.

Aquamarine1029 · 23/07/2024 17:02

Block him and never, ever speak to him again.

SussexLass87 · 23/07/2024 17:07

Who the fuck has voted you're being unreasonable?

Never see this man again OP! This is abusive, you do not have to endure this.

AngryLikeHades · 23/07/2024 17:10

Similar has happened to me.
He is a manipulative c*nt. You have every right to feel disgusted and appalled!!!!
I'm proud of you for being assertive, because I'd find it very, very hard also.
Forget about the money, if you feel you have to pay him back, do so on online banking. You do not need this aggressive, misogynistic bastard in your life, run and don't go anywhere near him again xxxx

VickyEadieofThigh · 23/07/2024 17:12

Bersham · 23/07/2024 16:02

You don't have to put up with his awful behaviour. Keep away from him. Some old men get like this if they are starting with dementia but whatever it is it is not acceptable.

it's not just old men who do it, is it? Some men of all ages do it.

MaryEllenWaldron · 23/07/2024 17:13

There is NOTHING wrong with you. He is a lecherous creep that you must stay away from. Never ever ignore your instincts which are always right - they are especially important for women's survival. He will sexually assault you next - his age is irrelevant. He's dangerous. I'm very sorry for you that you were glad to have some happy memory from the past, but for your own safety you need to block him, and get the money you owe sent to him asap (by recorded delivery). Your children are picking up the vibes too. Good luck and keep yourself safe above all.

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 23/07/2024 17:17

If you can afford to, send him back the money. This is not normal behaviour for an elderly man. I would tell him not to contact you again and then block him

jeaux90 · 23/07/2024 17:30

He's vile and trying to gaslight you.
Men like this make me so angry.

Bersham · 23/07/2024 18:15

VickyEadieofThigh · 23/07/2024 17:12

it's not just old men who do it, is it? Some men of all ages do it.

Yes but with a man of 77 it could be the start of dementia as the first thing to go are inhibitions.

heartbroken22 · 23/07/2024 18:33

I'd break contact and not see him again. Sounds like he can cope all by himself. He's abusive and I'm scared he would sexually abuse you.

summerishere2024 · 23/07/2024 19:07

thank you

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GrumpyPanda · 23/07/2024 19:13

Repay and block him. And for the next time anyone tries to get handsy, go for their hand, get hold of one of the fingers and bend it back. Hard. You may need to practice this, both physically with others and just mentally. But it may help change your frame of mind.

Grannywithnoplanny · 23/07/2024 19:15

You're worried you might have under reacted because of the abuse you have experienced. You sound like you've been firm and clear in your communication, he has kept pushing it, and if anything you're now under reacting. None of it is ok and him suggesting it's just his generation is insulting to other men of his age as well as to you.

Hoppinggreen · 23/07/2024 19:16

He is vile, whether he has dementia and no matter how old he is.
None of his behaviour is acceptable
Taking money from him was a bad idea as he now thinks you owe him something other than repayment (you don't) and given the type of messages he sent previously I am not sure why you would go and stay with him

suburberphobe · 23/07/2024 19:22

he put his hand on my breast and pretended it was an accident because I'd pushed his hand away, all with my boys in the back!!!

Fucking perve. I'm getting the creeps just reading this.

You REALLY don't want your sons to grow up thinking this is o.k.

Just pay the money back but block him out of your life. You don't owe him a relationship.

Tighten up your own personal boundaries as well OP.

Sending hugs.

Mabelface · 23/07/2024 19:30

He's already sexually assaulted you, and yes, you're underreacting. It's perfectly fine for you to cut him off completely, and you don't need to consider his feelings in this at all, as he's not considered yours. He's a disgusting man who moved in on a vulnerable woman. I'm sorry he's not the man you remembered, but that man has gone leaving the disgusting one in place.

LoobyDoop2 · 23/07/2024 19:35

He thinks he has bought you. I think that absolves you of any responsibility to pay him back, tbh- let it be a lesson to him that women aren’t for sale.

Calamitousness · 23/07/2024 19:45

He’s an old pervert. You have done nothing wrong and nothing to encourage this vile behaviour. If he was early dementia then he’d be like this with his neighbour too. Send him cheques to repay him and never ever see him again. If he texts or calls be honest and say his behaviour was disgusting and inappropriate and you will not be seeing him again. I’m sorry this has happened to you op.

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