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New job, employer pushing religion

76 replies

morethanspice · 17/07/2024 22:20

I’ve started a job as a carer in a private household and the family are very religious (Christian) I’m respectful but don’t share the views but more and more I’m being harassed somehow by the mother telling me to let Jesus in to my life etc. I think she should stop it, AIBU?

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C0rdeliaChase · 18/07/2024 00:52

I can't believe some of you are parents it's so vindictive.

@HowIrresponsible bit of an overreaction. Just because you're not a devil worshipper doesn't mean other people aren't! How about a bit of respect for different faiths?

C0rdeliaChase · 18/07/2024 00:53

C0rdeliaChase · 18/07/2024 00:52

I can't believe some of you are parents it's so vindictive.

@HowIrresponsible bit of an overreaction. Just because you're not a devil worshipper doesn't mean other people aren't! How about a bit of respect for different faiths?

Bold fail. 🤦🏻‍♀️

OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 18/07/2024 01:06

morethanspice · 17/07/2024 22:40

I’m employed directly and the mother is the main carer so most of the time is spent with her. I am totally supportive of their faith but do not wish to be involved and do not want to be told what God or Jesus has to say about me.

As you are employed directly, harassing you about your beliefs when they aren't relevant to your employment is a breach of the Equalities Act. You are free to choose your own belief or lack of it and your employers are not allowed to treat employees differently on the basis of belief or lack of it. Clearly and demonstrably the employer is treating you differently than if you were a Christian.

I think you should be blunt and assert yourself clearly.
"I have the right to freedom from religious persecution in my workplace. Your constant harassment of me to proselytise about your religion is totally inappropriate when all I want to do is to perform my job to the best of my ability. Please let me get on with my work"

morethanspice · 18/07/2024 05:51

I’m employed directly by the family, no agency, not self employed. They receive funding and employ staff but seem to have trouble retaining them.

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Roselilly36 · 18/07/2024 06:16

I expect this is why they are facing difficulties retaining carers. I would shut down the conversation when religion is mentioned every time. I would make it clear that I loved the job, and say something like, I am pleased your religious beliefs bring you comfort, but I don’t find it professional to discuss my views on religion/politics these are private for me and if you keep bringing these topics up, I will find employment elsewhere. Good luck

Brefugee · 18/07/2024 06:38

morethanspice · 17/07/2024 22:40

I’m employed directly and the mother is the main carer so most of the time is spent with her. I am totally supportive of their faith but do not wish to be involved and do not want to be told what God or Jesus has to say about me.

Say this every time she starts.

HaveABlastOfThisMatrix · 18/07/2024 06:49

morethanspice · 18/07/2024 05:51

I’m employed directly by the family, no agency, not self employed. They receive funding and employ staff but seem to have trouble retaining them.

I wonder why! I bet she does this to everyone and everyone else has walked... and I don't blame them.

bergamotorange · 18/07/2024 06:52

morethanspice · 18/07/2024 05:51

I’m employed directly by the family, no agency, not self employed. They receive funding and employ staff but seem to have trouble retaining them.

Of course they have trouble retaining staff!

Tell her once 'I respect your views but it is inappropriate to speak to an employee about religion. If it continues I will leave.'

Then leave when she does it again.

sanogo · 18/07/2024 06:57

Ask her for some proof

RawBloomers · 18/07/2024 07:00

Being harassed at work because you do not share your boss’s religion is religious discrimination, you are protected by the law. Your employer may not realise that so it might be sensible to let her know.

If you ended up leaving because her harassment made the job untenable for you, you would have a case for constructive dismissal.

eurochick · 18/07/2024 07:05

I think I've figured out why they have trouble retaining staff... tell her unless she stops another career will leave and it can't be in the interests of the person needing care to have a lack of continuity with a stream of different carers. Plus she has a duty as your employer to respect your religious belief and she is breaching that.

morethanspice · 18/07/2024 07:17

I’ve thought about it overnight and think I need to go to her with my concerns. I’m worried about the moving and handling risks and the basic hygiene practices. We aren’t allowed to use PPE. There’s one glove, which is washed after use. I know it’s their home but it’s our workplace. So the religious pressure might be tolerable if the general working environment was better but 🤢

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morethanspice · 18/07/2024 07:18

But my post was about the religious pressures and it’s not acceptable at work especially when you literally cannot get away from her.

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OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 18/07/2024 07:28

Not being allowed to use PPE is way more unacceptable than being inappropriately harassed. Obviously religious harassment is awful and makes a mentally toxic working environment but not being allowed to use PPE endangers your physical health. Re-using a single glove is worse than using no gloves at all.

I think you need to leave. What's the point of tackling the religious harassment if the job would still be awful even without it?

morethanspice · 18/07/2024 07:36

OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 18/07/2024 07:28

Not being allowed to use PPE is way more unacceptable than being inappropriately harassed. Obviously religious harassment is awful and makes a mentally toxic working environment but not being allowed to use PPE endangers your physical health. Re-using a single glove is worse than using no gloves at all.

I think you need to leave. What's the point of tackling the religious harassment if the job would still be awful even without it?

Edited

Well you are absolutely right and the manual handling risks also are concerning, it’s her way or no way as they’ve had to develop ways to manage with just one carer. The whole thing is a nightmare even though they pay above the usual rate. No proper breaks either.

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Astrak · 18/07/2024 07:37

I'm another person who thinks that you should leave this particular care setup. If you stay, you are putting your physical and mental health at risk.
There are innumerable jobs going in the care industry. It's a difficult job and can be physically and mentally challenging. You won't be out of work for long.

Munchyseeds2 · 18/07/2024 07:44

She should keep her religious views private

There are multiple reasons why they have trouble retaining carers!!
The PPE issues and MH concerns would be it for me
I wouldn't go back....the risks are not worth it no matter what they are paying

myusernamewastakenbyme · 18/07/2024 07:45

I have a friend who is a Christian...she is quite preacy too....always asking me to let the lord into my life etc...I find it quite disrespectful as she knows i do not believe and am not interested in her religious views.

Werweisswohin · 18/07/2024 07:50

You can get a more suitable position @morethanspice.
Start looking for a new position and give your notice at this one, outlining the working conditions and religious issues as your reasons.

morethanspice · 18/07/2024 07:50

I’m really appreciative of all of your replies, definitely helping me feel supported and that my reactions are reasonable

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BrownTableMat · 18/07/2024 07:54

Just adding my voice to support you. Definitely look for another job on the basis of the PPE and manual handling risks alone - it isn’t worth your health. If the job was otherwise fine I’d advise you to do what other sensible posters have said and just calmly say that you don’t want to discuss religion at work, then if she persists point out that you have a right not to be harassed at work and you will leave if she continues. But I think this is moot given the other risks you talk about.

FWIW I’m a committed Christian and I do not push my faith onto anybody, in the workplace or otherwise. I never talk about it unless asked and people like your employer make me cringe.

Treaclewell · 18/07/2024 08:01

Oh dear. In my experience the people who push "having Jesus in your life" very seldom show any evidence of having him in theirs, and can show a disconcerting tendency to adopt a position of superiority.
Some of them live in a kind of fantasy universe with a war between heaven and the other place going on more actively than Russia/Ukraine or Israel/Gaza. Think Tolkien or Philip Pullman.
Naturally if your employer thinks like that, she wants to be sure that she isn't endangering her relative by having a carer from the other side. And that includes all other religions, no religions, and branches of Christianity not adhering to her church's peculiar interpretation of it. Since she obviously believes she has a mandate to preach to those outside her version, she won't recognise that you have a parallel right to keep your beliefs private and not discuss them in the workplace.
You can try to tell her, and ask to be left alone to work with the patient, but be prepared to leave.
It occurs to me that there may be a connection between the PPE issue and the religious one. After all, if you had Jesus in your life, you wouldn't need PPE. It depends on the depth of her belief.

PaleSunshineOfHope · 18/07/2024 08:07

C0rdeliaChase · 18/07/2024 00:52

I can't believe some of you are parents it's so vindictive.

@HowIrresponsible bit of an overreaction. Just because you're not a devil worshipper doesn't mean other people aren't! How about a bit of respect for different faiths?

I've never noticed that being a parent stops anyone being vindictive, or having any other undesirable quality.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/07/2024 08:23

Please don't tell her she's making you uncomfortable in her own home

Perhaps you're forgetting that the client's home is also OP's workplace, @HowIrresponsible, and that she also has rights associated with that?

OP's already said that she's quite rightly respectful of the family's views, but unsurprisingly it now turns out there are other issues, and between the handling concerns/ban on PPE using PPE (why? Do they think it's up to Jesus to protect them? Confused) and this it's no surprise they can't keep staff

As said it's worth having a tactful conversation, but with folk this entrenched I rather doubt there'll be any alternative but to leave

morethanspice · 18/07/2024 08:24

The PPE thing I think is connected to her general assumption that her way is superior to institutional care and that as we work in a family home we are expected to conform to the family way of doing things. I appreciate that but there’s a line and she’s crossing it and pushing Jesus on to me is crossing another one. I’m not going there today so I’m going to think about my next move.

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