School teacher fired for escort work

[RosaMoline]

Firstly, apologies for linking to a Daily Mail article!

What do we think about this? I’m quite torn tbh.
I’ve always been of the opinion that whatever individuals get up to in their private lives does not affect their ability to do a job well.
However, I appreciate teachers are held up to a high standard. I believe it’s even more extreme in the USA - teachers have been fired for photos on social media of them having alcoholic beverages!
Someone must’ve really had in for her to trawl the net, and dob her in…😳
I don’t believe the assertion that it would lure the pupils into a life of vice..somewhat OTT.
She was foolish though as she can’t have disguised her indentity on these sites..I don’t understand that at all!
AIBU: she has no place as a teacher, brings the profession into disrepute.
YANBU: even teachers are entitled to a private life, and should have no bearing on their ability to do the job.

@JazbayGrapes what's the difference between sex work and prostitution as nominative descriptors? It's the same thing isn't it? It's not like calling it sex work changes the moral/ethical arguments. I'm against legalisation by the way. It involves trafficking and modern slavery in a globalised economy from which ever angle you look at it. If you legalise, you normalise, and then increase the size of the market, and the number of woman trafficked. Not a good idea for women's rights (though I am male).

Already is legal over here. As long as you arent selling on the street you can sell your time however you want.

@GingerStepchild where is over here?

Let’s see…if only we could give MNetters a vote as to whether they would feel that their children were safe being educated by someone with low morals, someone moonlighting as an escort, someone with a sexual SM profile.

You seem to be arguing that teachers have no professional standing, yet when you are presented with government instigated teachers professional standards, you don't think these should be in place either?

UK

Sex work is a much broader category (and less defined). It can include someone manning sexy telephone lines, all the way through cam girls etc to street prostitutes at the other end. It can also, include the pimps themselves or the people bordering the industry. Andrew Tate for example did all the "chat" for the women on his web cams because apparently he was better at this than them. So he is a sex worker.
However, combining prostitutes, their pimps, someone selling feet pictures on Only Fans and a stripper into one "community" or identity group is unhelpful because the experiences and interests of those people are not always aligned. You end up with pimps talking on behalf of the "sex worker" community and sex-worker "unions" that mysteriously demand "rights" that benefit pimps.
Its like if the "drug user" community included Dave the heroin addict, Steve his dealer and Barry the drug king pin. Those people do not have the same needs.

@GingerStepchild bit of a misrepresentation to say sex work is legal in the UK. It may be legal for single escorts to work in isolation (self employed), but it is not legal for organised gangs to run trafficked woman, using coercion, and drug addiction to control and sell them. And that is the underbelly of it. The tabloids, shorn of page 3, like a glamourised empowering tale of OF models and escorts making ££££ from porn and sex work. It titillates their readers and sits in a weird ethical space where their Thatcherite individualism, greed is good morality, and liking of woman in their place (whores in the bedroom, Madonna with the children) suggests to them (wrongly) that it's all good. But it's a veneer and most street prostitutes are under pimps and are slaves.

I think she was out of order and apart from anything else ,surely her extra curricular activities would have impacted oh her teaching?

@biscuitandcake I can see what your saying but I think it's slicing it too thinly with all those categories. It's all prostitution in the end, it's just a case of where you sit in the management / service delivery. And what services you provide. Your categories are more about vested interest withn the economy of prostitution.

I do see your point about slicing too thinly. A street prostitute is a prostitute as is a high paid escort - and they might have commonalities as well as differences. But I think its more dangerous to make the categories too wide. It blurs boundaries and enable people to argue for the worst things by using the best examples ("sex work is empowering because I sold pics of my feet on only fans for 6 months. I didn't feel exploited" type articles). It also puts pimps and madams into the same interest group as sex trafficked women. They aren't. They might be part of the same "economy" (the sex industry) but they don't have the same role. Cows and Butchers are both different vested interests within the burger economy. But Butchers are not cows, calling them both "meat workers" makes no sense.

e.g. a line in this article "Felcitas Schirow, a German brothel owner and sex worker, says the 2002 law has helped give prostitutes self-confidence." Amnesty International row: Should prostitution be decriminalised? - BBC News

I think you’ve missed my point.

All I said originally was that teachers shouldn’t be described as “struck off”. Because that’s associated with proper professions. I don’t have a problem with her being banned from the classroom - although I’m not sure how being an escort makes her a danger to children. But whatever.

The point I’m ultimately making is that it’s hard to see how an escort-teacher reduces the reputation of teaching which is already dimly viewed, because of the antics of useless, striking, militant teachers.

I agree, she should of been sacked.

just a shame that all the disgusting porn addled men can hide their disgusting behaviour more easily and it doesn’t effect their careers

I don't understand why this is even up for debate to be honest.

Really! So because teachers strike it is fine to have teachers with morally low standards who’s pupils are at risk of seeing them having sex online.

Come off it!

Even reading back through these posts you are very much a minority in your view.

The TRA are in place to maintain the standards of the profession.

The TRA ensures parents and the public have confidence in the profession.

Are they teaching children AND posting photographs of themselves in the middle of a sexual act on public sites?

I would assume a male teacher doing the same as this female teacher would be treated in the same manner.

@sadabouti If you want more proof of this, look into Douglas Fox a seasoned campaigner to legalise sex work, an influential contributor to Amnesty International's own policy and... the UKs largest pimp. The language is completely deliberate. “What you call pimps, we call managers.” | Too Much To Say For Myself
Amnesty and the pimp - by Graham Linehan (substack.com)

Words matter.

Primary school leader here.. this is outrageous and quite rightly she has been dismissed!!

If any of my staff ever did this I'd be absolutely horrified!

Burgundy Book has a better sick pay and pension scheme, I suspect.

@biscuitandcake fair enough. Good points. I'm being simplistic. All prostitutes are sex workers, but not all sex workers are prostitutes. But prostitution and some other forms of sex work should be heavily limited or prohibited to combat trafficking and slavery. I imagine trafficked women are forced in front of Cams and into brothels. And that trafficking goes on within porn. It's like drugs really. There's no ethical way to consume them. It's not like buying coffee, certified as ethical by the rainforest alliance...

Deliberately inflammatory, ill-informed, ignorant, insulting post. Undermining the profession of millions who are dedicated, talented teachers. Ignore the troll 🧌

Poor woman only wanted to legally sell her body by night and teach by day. SHe embodies independence.

Yes,

I actually have quite high expectations of teachers because their role is rather important. I think that's true of most people. Of course, one could have too high expectations - they are only human and entitled to lives of their own. But not posting about their other job as a prostitute online where pupils/parents can see it is a fairly low bar.

It would matter much less in a less "important" profession.

I'm pretty liberal and this is too extreme even for me! Being a teacher excludes stuff like being a sex worker of any kind, end of story.