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To think that the state should offer single sex education as part of parental choice?

277 replies

KTheGrey · 15/07/2024 13:14

Everyonesinvited.uk states as fact that there are three sexual assaults in primary schools reported to police every day (2016 figures), and that 9/10 girls had received unsolicited images (2021 from Ofsted). The Attainment 8 data analysis by gsa.uk (2019) shows an over 10% average higher point score by girls in girls' schools than by boys in boys' schools and over 20% higher average point score than all students in co-ed schools. A 2018 Queensland University study showed girls from single sex education emerged more confident. Many studies have shown they are more likely to engage with STEM at a higher level.

Should the state admit that it has failed in its primary duty of care in keeping girls safe, (as well as promoting every child's chances of getting their best results from school) and start providing single sex options to parents?

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DarkM3l0n · 15/07/2024 17:51

Corinthiana · 15/07/2024 17:51

Did I say they didn't?!

So say girls and boys then.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 15/07/2024 17:53

It wouldn't be possible to have it as an option for everyone.

But my mum (a secondary school teacher) recently said that if my sister and I were primary school age now, no way would she send us to a mixed sex secondary school. It wasn't something that ever bothered her before, but she says the sexual harassment and abuse in schools is a big enough problem that she'd want to avoid a mixed school. She says the stuff some of the female students go through is enough to make you cry. This is a good school in a "nice" area.

Corinthiana · 15/07/2024 17:53

Good grief. Some of the bullying by girls at my kids' school was off the scale. Seriously. So if anyone thinks I'm saying girls are doe eyed innocents, they're wrong.
However. The harassment and sexual assaults are usually boy on girl.
Before I get jumped on...I said usually.

Corinthiana · 15/07/2024 17:55

DarkM3l0n · 15/07/2024 17:51

So say girls and boys then.

Oh dear lord.
Ok
Boys and girls are both nasty bullies 🙄

DarkM3l0n · 15/07/2024 17:55

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 15/07/2024 17:53

It wouldn't be possible to have it as an option for everyone.

But my mum (a secondary school teacher) recently said that if my sister and I were primary school age now, no way would she send us to a mixed sex secondary school. It wasn't something that ever bothered her before, but she says the sexual harassment and abuse in schools is a big enough problem that she'd want to avoid a mixed school. She says the stuff some of the female students go through is enough to make you cry. This is a good school in a "nice" area.

Well it can’t be good as it wouldn’t get a good rating if sexual harassment and abuse is a problem.

bittertwisted · 15/07/2024 17:56

SharonWills · 15/07/2024 16:41

I believe this would be a great idea, I dislike my daughter mixing with Boys at such a young age, as I am worried that she may be introduced to vapes, illegal drugs and what not.

I went to an elite, highly selective all girls school
Many smoked.
Drugs could be afforded easily.
Plenty had sex, 2 girls I knew had abortions.
Girls can find trouble all by themselves

Corinthiana · 15/07/2024 17:56

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 15/07/2024 17:53

It wouldn't be possible to have it as an option for everyone.

But my mum (a secondary school teacher) recently said that if my sister and I were primary school age now, no way would she send us to a mixed sex secondary school. It wasn't something that ever bothered her before, but she says the sexual harassment and abuse in schools is a big enough problem that she'd want to avoid a mixed school. She says the stuff some of the female students go through is enough to make you cry. This is a good school in a "nice" area.

Interesting.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/07/2024 17:57

Corinthiana · 15/07/2024 17:53

Good grief. Some of the bullying by girls at my kids' school was off the scale. Seriously. So if anyone thinks I'm saying girls are doe eyed innocents, they're wrong.
However. The harassment and sexual assaults are usually boy on girl.
Before I get jumped on...I said usually.

Pretty obviously you meant those aspects of some boys' socialisation which negatively impacts girls. Misogyny can be learned early, unfortunately.

Corinthiana · 15/07/2024 18:00

ErrolTheDragon · 15/07/2024 17:57

Pretty obviously you meant those aspects of some boys' socialisation which negatively impacts girls. Misogyny can be learned early, unfortunately.

Thank you so much. That's exactly what I meant!

Technonan · 15/07/2024 18:00

One of the problems is that parent want single sex education for their daughters, and mixed sex education for their sons. It can't be done.

DarkM3l0n · 15/07/2024 18:01

ErrolTheDragon · 15/07/2024 17:57

Pretty obviously you meant those aspects of some boys' socialisation which negatively impacts girls. Misogyny can be learned early, unfortunately.

Unpleasant female ostracising if you don’t fit in with the pack can be learnt early too.

NancyJoan · 15/07/2024 18:05

As far as I am aware most (all?) bigger towns and cities already have mixed- and same-sex school options. Are you thinking of any in particular that don't?

In the whole of Wales, there is one school that is girls-only, which is private. And no boys-only.

GingerLiberalFeminist · 15/07/2024 18:09

All studies show girls do better academically in single sex schools. Boys do better in mixed sex. I think girls are already disadvantaged so want my DD to go to single sex, at least at secondary.

cansu · 15/07/2024 18:09

It isn't affordable.

Corinthiana · 15/07/2024 18:13

@ErrolTheDragon , yes, it's learned very early, and gets compounded.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/07/2024 18:14

Unpleasant female ostracising if you don’t fit in with the pack can be learnt early too.

Probably, but that can happen in mixed sex schools... maybe moreso as there's more space for the mavericks, geeks etc in a girls' school.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/07/2024 18:16

cansu · 15/07/2024 18:09

It isn't affordable.

Why would it cost more in towns big enough for several secondaries?

cansu · 15/07/2024 18:27

Given that we state education action is massively squeezed and that there are not enough special school places there isn't the money to provide single sex and mixed education.

Comedycook · 15/07/2024 18:29

I live in suburban London and there are several single sex schools around here. I guess the population is large enough that they can be filled.

ElliLovesDogs · 15/07/2024 18:47

Theres bigger issues in schools than this. Like sorting SEN and alternative provision imo

DarkM3l0n · 15/07/2024 18:50

ErrolTheDragon · 15/07/2024 18:14

Unpleasant female ostracising if you don’t fit in with the pack can be learnt early too.

Probably, but that can happen in mixed sex schools... maybe moreso as there's more space for the mavericks, geeks etc in a girls' school.

We found the opposite.

Marchitectmummy · 15/07/2024 18:52

There should be no options within state education, all schools should be homogeneous, with the same number of children receiving the exact same education. Anything other than that should be private and should pay VAT.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/07/2024 19:13

Marchitectmummy · 15/07/2024 18:52

There should be no options within state education, all schools should be homogeneous, with the same number of children receiving the exact same education. Anything other than that should be private and should pay VAT.

How are you going to clone the teachers? I suppose that would sort out the staffing crisis, though ...

Marchitectmummy · 15/07/2024 19:18

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/07/2024 19:13

How are you going to clone the teachers? I suppose that would sort out the staffing crisis, though ...

AI will deal with that...

BroganLee · 15/07/2024 19:33

If I really wanted this, I'd look up all the single sex schools (senior) and make a plan to move into the catchment of the one I liked most. I am lucky as there are lots of single sex options in my area (south east England, about 30 miles west of London)