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To think this is wrong? (ECHP related)

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Dayofpeace · 11/07/2024 22:48

I had an EHCP review for my child at school recently. It was a somewhat bad-tempered affair unfortunately from both sides. At the very beginning, of the EHCP report there is a section for the child's views - specifically what the child thinks is working well, what they think is not working well, and what they would like to change.

When I read these first very short sentences they just didn't seem quite right. I said a couple of things about how the comments didn't seem quite right, and the Senco, obviously irritated, told me that it was right, that my child had written it with her TA, and the Senco got up from her seat, crossed the room, and came back with a document that was produced by my child with her TA and pushed it across the table at me. I didn't look at that document in the meeting, but read it last night.
It turns out that the comments in the EHCP document were identical to those my child had written, except with 3 differences.
Under "What is working well at school", my child had written "nothing (getting bullied)."
Under "Things I would like to change" my child wrote "The fact that I get bullied".
Under the section "What I find hard" my child wrote "Being Bullied".
None of these 3 statements about bullying made by my child to the school were recorded by the Senco in my child's EHCP report, yet all other statements made by my child in her document were transcribed.
I guess it's important to note that I would never normally have seen the full document that my child wrote - I only saw it because the Senco gave it to me bad temperedly to show that the statements in the EHCP were indeed made by my child - it was obviously never originally intended to form part of the meeting materials.

As it transpires, my child was being bullied, but she wasn't able to tell me who it was as it was boys 2 years older and she did not know their names. She told me she had told teachers. She had mentioned a few times around spring and early
summer. I did a "How to deal with bullies " workflow with her to defeat them with logic, but I couldn't really get to the root of whether it was serious bullying or just random slightly bad-tempered playground interactions, as my child can't explain past events very well and also simply did not know the names of the boys to enable her to report it properly. I feel guilty too as I was distracted as my Mum was dying in another country, and so I was flying back and forth alot dealing with that and there's no doubt that I wasn't on the ball.

Anyway, a chance event led to the discovery of the name of the lead boy bullying my daughter. Once I knew the name and description of the child bulling my daughter, I was able to talk to her to identify if it was the same child that had been bothering her for a while. It was. So it was not just one event, and it is clear that these boys were actively searching for my daughter, 2 years younger, in the playground to taunt her. My daughter is 9.
Once I was clear that the same boys were repeatedly doing this, I emailed school in mid-May to ask for a meeting. Deputy Head said he would call in a few days time as he was busy, but never did even after a week and a half. I collared him in the playground and he never even said sorry for not coming back to me. I said I wanted to talk about my daughter, and he INSTANTLY knew what it was about, and even said that these boys would taunt her given a chance. This tells me that school KNEW of this.

I'm a bit confused about how to go forward and I need to get some clearer thoughts. One of my first questions to you knowledgable people is this - are there any grounds or situations where is it right and proper that a Senco can ignore a SEN child's multiple comments about being bullied on the very form that they use to collect the child's input for the EHCP review, and deliberately omit them from the formal EHCP document? If they are omitted from the EHCP then obviously the parent will not see the comments, and the LEA won't see them either.
All thoughts appreciated. Thanks for reading.

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Dinosweetpea · 11/07/2024 22:54

Call an emergency review, if they aren't keeping her safe then they aren't meeting her needs.

Ironmanbitmyfinger · 11/07/2024 22:55

I Never trusted the schools representation of my child’s views .

always did my own in addition to theirs and dubmitted them to the meeting - I wanted my child’s views to be fully represented.

sometimes this was drawings with me scribing words underneath.

one time it was a very very harrowing recording of my child talking about what they felt.

all were genuine representations of my children’s feelings… I wouldn’t trust the school to record an unbiased view.

I used the ‘standard questions’ and got my children to record as best they could (with support from me ) thier opinions snd views both positive and negative.

wonderstuff · 11/07/2024 22:57

It isn’t right, and you can ask for the SENCO to add these comments. However I think the action taken by school to support your child is really the key in thing here. These two things really show a lack of care on the part of the school and I’m not sure how that can be remedied.

I think I’d want to write to the head, explaining how this has affected your trust in them and I’d want to see their bullying and SEN policies and if neither recognise how children with SEN are at increased risk of bullying I’d want them to look again at this. Very difficult though, I’m sorry you and your daughter are having to deal with this.

thebluebeyond · 11/07/2024 22:59

the bullying is a separate issue, and not part of the EHCP review

Lougle · 11/07/2024 23:02

I always got a copy of any papers my DD had attempted to fill in. It always had mostly negative stuff. Even things like 'I hate littering', which is somewhat tangential, were included.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 11/07/2024 23:04

This sounds like a safeguarding failure and omitting key points from the child’s own views is really bad. Adults routinely help with wording but this sounds intentionally misleading. I’d be really proactive and ask for timelines. The school leadership don’t sound on the ball. Don’t know where you are but request an emergency professionals meeting agree points for agenda. You need to find out what the bullying has involved and the steps school are taking. This won’t be a new problem so you need to know how the school dealt with this before.

IllMetByMoonlight · 11/07/2024 23:11

That section should include everything your child says / records when asked to make their contribution. It forms a picture of the child's experience in education and can give clues which may inform the path toward the outcomes.

4echnicolourdream · 11/07/2024 23:11

In my LA the child's view forms are emailed to the parents to complete with their child.

Your DCs comments should have been included, but this is typical schools- covering-their-own-arses behaviour, and doesn't surprise me is the slightest as I've experienced it myself.

Realistically it would be a better use of your time ensure sure the school are dealing with the bullying properly to improve the situation for your DD. But you could also ask that your DDs original comments are added into the EHCP.

Dayofpeace · 11/07/2024 23:30

Thank you all for your thoughts and explanations of how things work at your schools, and how some of you have used those forms and engaged with the EHCP documentation more than me. I knew I'd get some good and wise guidance here.

I know dealing with the bullying is the priority. I need to get my thoughts clear on whether the school has failed in their responsibilities or not. I am clear that they have failed to follow their own Behaviour and Bullying Policy and I will pursue that. I think what I am not entirely clear on is whether the comments about bullying shpould have been deliberately omitted by the SENCO from the EHCP.

Should everything be included? Is it within the job role of a Senco to decide not to include comments made by the child about bullying in the EHCP?
When I described the event about the boys actively seeking my daughter out, they actually went to find hr sister in the playground to find out where she was so they could go and torment her. In the meeting, the SENCO told me this was not bullying. I did my best "What the F are you talking abiout" face and sternly informed her that it was bulling, by any defuinition, including that of the LEA. She did not respond. In fact, she then was extremely bad tempered the rest of the meeting.

I wonder why she ignored those comments by my daughter? Perhaps they don't belong in an EHCP, I really don't know. I would have thought they should be included, but I can't find any guidance for schools around how to write an EHCP and what can or cannot be omitted from a child's own reports.

As an aside, I went onto our local LEA SEN portal for EHCPs, and I can see that our Senco modified my child's input when she first created the review a few months ago, and the audit log shows that the Senco then re-edited my child's input on the portal a couple of months later, a week before our meeting. It makes me wonder if the bullying comments were at first included, then recently edited out of the report? The audit log does not show exactly what the edit was, only that the field was edited. I will call the LEA tomorrow to find out.

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