For being fucked off with all the threads about what people on benefits should and should not do?

[conniedescending]

Apparently not have babies OR go on holiday for starters.

What is it with this obsession with what other people less fortunate are doing? I find it absolutely ludicrous that the so called tax payers are more annoyed at vulnerable people claiming benefits than they are at what the rich are actually doing.

Why is it the spotlight is not on the 'rich' people who tax evade left, right and center meaning there is less in the pot.....what about MPs expenses???? What about non-doms?

I find it ludicrous that people actually think the problem lies with people on benefits when it is the rich who are the abhorrent party in this debacle.

I blame the wanking threads mascara

I think there is far too much generalising on these threads and it's the extreme's that end up being argued about.

1. People on benefits BECAUSE they are vulnerable and less fortunate is FINE by the most part of tax payers.

1. People that are on benefits BECAUSE they CHOOSE to be because they are just down-right lazy and generally believe the world owes them a favour is NOT.

In the same token, not everybody who is not on benefit is RICH.

People that work really hard without to support themselves without benefits and just about scrape by in life, with very little spare to enjoy luxuries in life such as holidays and that have to CHOOSE between supporting themsleves or having more children get a tad hacked off with those in point 2 above.

And whether we like generilsations or not - sadly it IS sometimes, very obvious whether a person on benefits is a point 1 or a point 2 case above....regardless of what goes on behind closed doors.

MOH - your aside is bang on - it is decidedly strange around here. Very full-moonish.

it is very full-moonish.. and his been for more than a few days now. do you think it's Easter Holiday Syndrome?

My point is I am far more pissed off about MPs having their second homes furnished by John Lewis when DH and I can't even stretch to Ikea than I am by MrsX raising her 3 children on benefits.

I completely agree with you conniedescending. I guess people on benefits are easy targets?

I disagree HA. Every single case is completely unique, you can have no way of knowing without the full facts and living the other person's life.

I have had a bitch every now and then about people that don't appear incapacitated to me, but still claim full benefits for everything going, and it is wrong. I have f*ck all idea about what they are actually feeling, regardless of what I see from the outside.

Very few people are happy about being on benefits. Even the "lazy" people doing it for an easy life as people say must feel the stigma as much as the person forced onto benefits.

People on benefits are sitting ducks - MPs et al who evade this and that and cheat aren't so easy to target and don't get people's backs up quite so vehmently (it appears)

FAQ - look at Butlins; half price in June/July atm

YANBU.

FAQ - think the Sun has some cheap holidays promotion on atm. There's bound to be info about it on the moneysavingexpert forums.

FAQ - if you fancy a caravan, I have a friend of a friend who stayed in one a week or so ago and it cost her £15 for a weekend - I could find out more if you like...

Hereagain has a very important point.
People are too quick to group 'people on benefits' as one group of people.
Some are trying their damndest to bring up families on a pittance whereas others are just lazy bastards who don't work, the latter group ruin it for the former.

FAQ - do you want me to start it and you can just lurk on it and pick up the handy ideas that everyone has?

I couldnt care less tbh

My family and I have more than most

I do think it is just nonsensical when people on benefits (and therefore on low incomes) get into lots of debt just to buy new cars and hewge widescreen tvs, but rather patronisingly assume it is because they don't understand about managing money.

but then its up to them what they spend spare cash on

yes we do lump them together

same as people lump 'the middle classes' together

FAQ, I have some of those walkers points which make butlins/haven (?) holidays half price or something, have a look on the website I have about 60 points, I don't know if they're any good but if you want them you can have them.

I think mumsnet is a 'rich' divide of people we are all from varying backgrounds and various lives and standards of living- its very much a divide in threads like this I am not wealthy far from it - we manage,having said that a friend of mine recently kept her ds off school on visiting her i discovered why.....he had no shoes that fitted him she is single on benefits and in todays world i find that very sad ( luckily with 3 ds of my own i was able to give him some shoes)

Surely you can't get credit if your sole source of income is benefits (well other than from some dodgy bloke in a camel hair coat with a couple of greasy haired henchmen)

DH and I are both taxpayers and personally I wouldn't begrudge any genuine person 'benefits' as as I understand they are a pittance - I am hardly funding a luxury lifestyle.

If a person can use a bit of ingenuity (legally obviously) and raise some extra cash then why shouldn't they (this comes from the other thread).

I thin many of them get into huge debt just getting by each day tho'

I mean you can't walk into currys and say "ooh I fancy spending a grand on a plasma screen" and them just say ok and give you credit

People are too quick to group people full stop. We see it all the time, for all manner of different groups be in those on benefits, those who are rich, those who are single parents, those who are stay at home, those who ae working mums, etc.