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AIBU to conclude that "Fine Dining" restaurants more often than not offer miserly portions of food?

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FineDining · 09/07/2024 08:37

Have been to a number of restaurants which are listed in the Michelin Guide. Without exception, the portions have been tiny and we have come out hungry.

Paid £60 for a vegan tasting menu the other week at a Michelin recommended restaurant. After 2.5 hours of getting a tiny portion of food every 15 minutes, we were still not satiated. Had to go to Greggs straight after to top up with a sausage roll after!

I think it's a cheek to charge high prices for portions that wouldn't keep a sparrow alive.

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Catza · 09/07/2024 12:13

Champagnesocialismo · 09/07/2024 11:48

If you want some proof on portion sizes then look at old plates for dining from the 60s, 70s and 80s. They are tiny compared to today. A lot of people fill a plate and that is a portion to them. But do that now and chances are you will be eating a lot more than 50 years ago.

I am currently visiting my parents in continental Europe and they have the same plates I remember using as a child. The dinner plate diameter is about the size of my palm. It is always an adjustment when I visit but the portion is definitely enough to fill me up.

FineDining · 09/07/2024 12:42

Weetabbix · 09/07/2024 10:08

£60 for a tasting menu at a Michelin restaurant is a bargain.

It was at lunchtime, which I think is usually a little cheaper than an evening meal.

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FineDining · 09/07/2024 12:44

ItsAlrightDarling · 09/07/2024 09:53

We had a 12 course taster menu once at a restaurant with 2 Michelin stars in Madrid and I had to undo my trousers at the table 😂

😂😂😀

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FineDining · 09/07/2024 12:46

Weetabbix · 09/07/2024 10:12

You can always ask for some bread, OP.

Having said that I don't think I've ever left a fine dining/ tasting menu experience still feeling hungry, so maybe it was that particular restaurant or because you went for the vegan option.

(If so, that's a fault with the restaurant really as if they are offering a vegan menu then they should ensure it's enough to fill you up).

I didn't know you could request extra bread. If I am ever in the same situation again, I will definitely do this. There was a bread course as one of the courses. I would definitely have asked for an additional slice if I had known this was an option.

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FineDining · 09/07/2024 12:48

ApplesinmyPocket · 09/07/2024 11:04

I think OP is teasing us, what with the mention of a 'Greggs sausage roll' that she 'needed to top up with'😉(of course she didn't, she wasn't going to faint from hunger after 'being served even a small portion of food every 15 mins for two and a half hours!')

and also this - "I think it's a cheek to charge high prices for portions that wouldn't keep a sparrow alive." - I'm sure OP knows full well it costs a good deal less to make huge vats of cheap and filling food which would keep her, the sparrows and a few bald eagles alive than to craft tiny fussy individual cubes of lobster in aspic with a samphire curl! You prankster, OP! 😉

Let's pretend OP is NOT on a wind-up, well, if you really want to leave feeling 'full' or 'stuffed' or 'satiated' you'd go for an all- you-can-eat buffet, or fish and chips - probably a better choice anyway 😉 (who doesn't love fish and chips?) - 'tasting menus' are a completely different way of dining, and not intended to fulfil your full sustenance requirements but to give you a chance to experience lots of different tastes and flavours and combinations.

(I did a tasting menu once, in Lisbon, and to honest I was very glad the portions were small as, while the food was interestingly themed and beautifully presented, it was ghastly. The three mortuary-cold rubbery chunks of boiled octopus in strangely-flavoured water, I found myself actually unable to gag down, though other tables were raving about it.

I promise you that I am not on a wind up! We really did have a Greggs sausage roll after the meal!

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Weetabbix · 09/07/2024 12:49

FineDining · 09/07/2024 12:46

I didn't know you could request extra bread. If I am ever in the same situation again, I will definitely do this. There was a bread course as one of the courses. I would definitely have asked for an additional slice if I had known this was an option.

Well you might be charged a little extra (probably varies depending on the place), but no restaurant is going to refuse a customer who asks for bread.

ohthejoys21 · 09/07/2024 16:19

Oh absolutely. They come round with bread every 3 minutes which being starving you grab. Worst are Michelin tasting menus. A spoon of something delicious then 20 mins wait for the next spoon etc

ohthejoys21 · 09/07/2024 16:22

Has anyone been to the Fat Duck in Bray? 5 hours we were there for, they block out the light from the windows and there didn't seem to be any heating. Each course was a work of art but not in a million years would I repeat it.
I'd rather have a simple, whole plate of food of the freshest ingredients.

Snowpaw · 09/07/2024 16:22

I had a 2 Michelen star tasting menu and was really full by the end of it. I remember by the time they got to the meat "main event" type part of the meal it was a bit of an effort to get it down. It was an amazing, memorable night and I felt I really did get my monies worth.

I have been left hungry often though at lesser places, where its like £30 for a seabass main and you get a tiny piece of fish and a few veg / 2 potatoes with a tiny pot of sauce.

ohthejoys21 · 09/07/2024 16:27

We went to a rooftop vegan Michelin Starred restaurant in Rome last summer which was exceptional and unusual in that there is nothing of the kind in the UK.

PCController2 · 09/07/2024 16:30

We did a tasting menu at a Michelin starred restaurant in Spain. Almost every course consisted mainly of foam (and tasted of mushrooms). It was interesting, some of the courses were delicious, and it's put me off mushrooms for life.. We did go and buy a packet of biscuits after, to take away the taste of mushrooms...

marmiteoneverything · 09/07/2024 16:30

FineDining · 09/07/2024 08:51

The food was lovely! However, half a carrot presented beautifully with an exciting sauce barely touches the sides of my appetite. Even with 8 similarly sized courses followed by 4 tiny petit fours, still not full 😀

Maybe I am a gannet!

Do you mind me asking where you went?

(Although we are also gannets, so maybe it’s not the best idea to pay them a visit!)

Mmhmmn · 09/07/2024 16:35

I agree, some of them are a complete piss-take.

FineDining · 09/07/2024 16:38

Sondheimisademigod · 09/07/2024 09:30

Why not have your entire meal from Greggs?
That way you know you are getting value for money.
Smart dress optional

Well I do love a Greggs meal deal and it is filling if I add a caramel custard doughnut. You may have a point!

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FineDining · 09/07/2024 16:40

marmiteoneverything · 09/07/2024 16:30

Do you mind me asking where you went?

(Although we are also gannets, so maybe it’s not the best idea to pay them a visit!)

"Land" restaurant in Birmingham City centre!

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SecretBirthday · 09/07/2024 16:41

I think people are scapegoating the fact that it was a vegan tasting menu here.

If it’s genuinely a Michelin starred fine dining restaurant then the vegan menu and each dish should work perfectly and be of the same standard as the rest of their offering. The vegan option shouldn’t just be a shit version of the meat option with a slab of flesh removed and replaced with a single mushroom. Establishments of this caliber have no business advertising a “vegan tasting menu” if it’s just a half hearted after thought defined by the absence of meat.

Most places offering a vegan tasting menu will ask for a few days notice as they have to order in extra ingredients. Typically, they are heavy on the mushrooms and theres truffle in almost every dish, but I’ve always felt that they were thoughtful vegan plates, and not just the meat option with most of its ingredients removed.

FineDining · 09/07/2024 16:42

PCController2 · 09/07/2024 16:30

We did a tasting menu at a Michelin starred restaurant in Spain. Almost every course consisted mainly of foam (and tasted of mushrooms). It was interesting, some of the courses were delicious, and it's put me off mushrooms for life.. We did go and buy a packet of biscuits after, to take away the taste of mushrooms...

Yes, what is this strange obsession that some eating establishments have with foam!

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MasterBeth · 09/07/2024 16:47

SecretBirthday · 09/07/2024 09:29

I’ve been for three fancy vegan fine dining meals, two of which were at Michelin starred venues.

Alchemilla in Nottingham - 7 courses and pairings and with the snacks, etc. I was more than satisfied and because the meal was a few hours long and all the explanations of courses and wines, I was very comfortably satisfied and certainly wasn’t still hungry.

I was going to mention Alchemilla. Same with me. As I was eating it felt small, but after seven courses (plus cheese plus amuse bouches!) I was stuffed. (And I can put away plenty!)

TheBishopIsKillingMe · 09/07/2024 16:51

I’ve only ever done a 7 course taster menu once. It was fun but expensive and we went for cheesey chips straight afterwards as we were so hungry!

FineDining · 09/07/2024 16:59

TheBishopIsKillingMe · 09/07/2024 16:51

I’ve only ever done a 7 course taster menu once. It was fun but expensive and we went for cheesey chips straight afterwards as we were so hungry!

Not just me then 😄

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G123456789 · 09/07/2024 17:15

Op you are spot on. About 20 years ago I had a "proper" job and often took clients out. A few of us went to a very high level restaurant. I and my lead client ordered chicken...well it was described as chicken, sparrow was nearer. It came with two piped potato things. The waiter asked my client "would sir like vegetables". My client who was very very good company said in his broad Glasgow accent "eye chips". I hurt for about two days from laughing. We drank up, I paid the Bill and went to pizza express.

The down side was the grief from the boss at having bought two lots of meals. But at least we were full.

In my experience fancy dining is emperors new clothes

YnY · 09/07/2024 17:19

G123456789 · 09/07/2024 17:15

Op you are spot on. About 20 years ago I had a "proper" job and often took clients out. A few of us went to a very high level restaurant. I and my lead client ordered chicken...well it was described as chicken, sparrow was nearer. It came with two piped potato things. The waiter asked my client "would sir like vegetables". My client who was very very good company said in his broad Glasgow accent "eye chips". I hurt for about two days from laughing. We drank up, I paid the Bill and went to pizza express.

The down side was the grief from the boss at having bought two lots of meals. But at least we were full.

In my experience fancy dining is emperors new clothes

I love people who don't wither under the pressure to be more elegant.

Reminds me a bit of my dad. We'd all be giving it our best "ber ren henna freeto con albon deegas. And then he'd say a seventeen and a twenty two.

LightDrizzle · 09/07/2024 17:30

I’ve never left a fine dining restaurant hungry and my go to order at McDonalds is a Quarter Pounder meal with fries with Chicken Selects with BBQ Sauce on the side so I don’t think I fall into the competitive under-eater bracket.

I suspect that being vegan may be the issue as a lot of the calories in classic French cooking come from obscene amounts of delicious butter, cream, rendered animal fat and the like.

Most Michelin starred restaurants I’ve been to do indeed serve tiny plates but the number of courses and the richness of the food has always left me full.

Somebody above mentioned Alchemilla in Nottingham; I don’t know if they are still doing the hay baked celeriac course but I’ve had it twice, once before and once after it got its Michelin star and it was divine. I wonder if their vegan menu might be worth a try for you.

DrCoconut · 09/07/2024 17:42

I'm shocked at how many of these places with supposedly skilled chefs will not cater for food allergies. I get that it's a mixed kitchen environment but "lesser" places manage it.

Sondheimisademigod · 09/07/2024 19:25

FineDining · 09/07/2024 16:38

Well I do love a Greggs meal deal and it is filling if I add a caramel custard doughnut. You may have a point!

I'd go for the trad jam

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