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Heartbroken about DS's teacher

584 replies

Bluetie · 06/07/2024 12:20

DS is a great kid. He's smart, funny, musical and sporty. He is also incredibly polite and has a caring nature. He is always winning awards at school, and is liked by all. DS attends a lovely small school with only 2 year-groups.

His previous teachers were OK but in year 3, he's had the most wonderful teacher, Mr T. Mr T is DS's first male teacher and they also share a hobby. Mr T has really helped DS develop his confidence, pushing him more in academics. DS has had a great year.

DS is now moving to year 4. Mr T is also moving to year 4. But they won't be together. All the classes have been mixed to mix abilities, sexes and SEN.

One morning this week, I went to ask Mr T if this class allocation was final. The head came to join our conversation, and he said he will only move DS for an exceptional reason. The head added that the new teacher has made the best progress in her year group across the whole school. I really want DS to stay with Mr T.

Can anyone think of something?

OP posts:
EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 06/07/2024 18:45

Bluetie · 06/07/2024 12:38

I don't have any reason to bring to the head to ask for DS to keep the same teacher. So DS is being punished for being good.

Do you realise that the kids with a good reason are struggling or have disabilities? Things that are probably going to disadvantage them for their whole lives. And here you are saying it's unfair that your child who is apparently great at everything isn't going to special consideration to pick his teacher. You need to check your privilege and grow up.

viques · 06/07/2024 18:49

EllyGi · 06/07/2024 16:15

Yes, they will.
The system in this country, where kids get different teacher every year is insane.

I come from a country where for 4 years I had the same teacher and it was awesome!

It's probably now too late to change their mind, would have been better to have voiced this before they allocated kids. You can still have a conversation with the head and see what they say.

This is the UK, to assume that a teacher will still be in the profession for four years is optimistic in the extreme!

AGoingConcern · 06/07/2024 18:51

I always want to ask parents like OP the same direct question I would have asked one of my young students back when I taught: If I said yes to everyone who asked to do X, what would happen?

The school can’t allow every student to pick their teacher, which means they can’t fairly allow anyone to do so unless there are documented, exceptional needs (not just wants) for a specific child.

SerafinasGoose · 06/07/2024 18:51

viques · 06/07/2024 18:49

This is the UK, to assume that a teacher will still be in the profession for four years is optimistic in the extreme!

This thread - in particular the comments from teachers and school support staff - is a beautiful example of at least one reason why this is the case.

Who really needs this?

quintessentially166 · 06/07/2024 18:52

Is it you that is heart broken or your son? Unfortunately life isn't a constant and this will be a good life lesson for him. You haven't said anything that suggests he wouldn't continue to do well with a different teacher and as others posters have suggested it is not good to have a special attachment to one teacher.

Tiredalwaystired · 06/07/2024 18:53

Bluetie · 06/07/2024 12:42

OMG! This may be my life next year. 😭

It’s not your life. It’s your sons life.

Soitwillbefine · 06/07/2024 18:55

Bluetie · 06/07/2024 12:30

My child will benefit from continuity with the same teacher surely?

Not always…different teachers can change the way children view learning. I think that children benefit from adapting to change. At high school, they have to deal with multiple teachers and they need to learn to build relationships/communicate with them all. As we do as adults in the workplace. It’s a life skill.

My kids have adored certain teachers along the way and not liked others. They have made good and not so good progress with both.

Please don’t project your feelings though. Your son will be positive if you are.

WearyAuldWumman · 06/07/2024 18:56

Bluetie · 06/07/2024 12:30

My child will benefit from continuity with the same teacher surely?

Even if your DS did get the same teacher, there's no guarantee that the teacher will be there for the full academic year: teachers do move on.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 06/07/2024 19:17

I can’t help thinking you
may have got a bit more sympathy had said something like My DS is very attached to his Teacher and I need help with supporting him with the transition as appose to coming on here bragging about your perfect child. Bragging rarely goes well, Op. Lets face it that’s what you’re doing. With all due to respects if he’s won all sorts of awards do you not think it’s about time the other kids got a chance to shine.

AllstarFacilier · 06/07/2024 19:18

Your son isn’t being punished, he’s just not receiving special treatment and being given what he wants. I can’t believe some posters have the solution if asking the teacher to give up some of his own time with his children at home, to spend time with your child in extra curricular sessions. You don’t get to request teachers, and takes usually change yearly. That’s the end of it and you’ve been told no. There’s nothing untoward or punishing about it.

neverbeenskiing · 06/07/2024 19:32

Your son isn’t being punished, he’s just not receiving special treatment and being given what he wants

One of the main reasons many of my colleagues are leaving Education for good is that we are increasingly dealing with parents who don't understand the difference.

It is exhausting.

ijustneedtokeepbreathing · 06/07/2024 19:41

SerafinasGoose · 06/07/2024 18:39

I just can't compute helicopter parenting like this, or the automatic assumption that our DC is the most special in the world and that everybody else's can go hang (the real world just doesn't work that way), or that they can do no wrong and anyone claiming otherwise needs 'confronting', or this level of micro-investment in our children's schools. Some of these people behave as though they and not their children are the ones in attendance; who are having to navigate these kinds of nuances, difficulties and arguments every day.

Poor, poor teachers and support staff! I don't know how you stand it.

And before the inevitable responses assume I'm an uninvolved, disinterested parent who couldn't care less about my child's education, I am also an educator. I value education as much as the most dedicated parent or teacher, and I'm trying (as we all are) to raise my child to be an independent, well-adjusted adult. But I'm by no means convinced that helicopter parenting and continual interference in every aspect of my child's life is the way to do it.

This kind of learned helplessness is leaching through into H.E., too. When I was a student, had my parents turned up at university to give my lecturers shit, or to challenge the grades awarded, or to complain about the course in general or plead for special attention for their ultra, uber, special little darling, I'd have thrown my coat over my head then and there and from that point onward never shown my face on campus again!

It is, however, by no means unusual these days to receive emails, phone calls, requests for meetings etc., from parents. Note that these over-18-YO students are technically adults and I barely have sufficient time to devote to them, let alone their parents into the bargain.

These people need to get a clue, or better still, a life of their own that isn't lived vicariously through their now adult kids. I'm completely out of patience with humouring this nonsense.

Completely agree @SerafinasGoose . Well said.

BowlOfNoodles · 06/07/2024 20:03

Llamasinjamas · 06/07/2024 17:47

I'd write to the school governors in the first instance OP, highlighting all the good qualities of your ds as in your OP. Explain that despite all your DS's great qualities, he's lacking in confidence and the only elixir for this is Mr T. Tell them that you feel that your DS is being punished for being too good. See what they say. If you are not happy with their response then write to your local MP, and maybe even go as far as the new PM, if your local MP ignores you.

😂😂😂

WhatNext24 · 06/07/2024 20:50

SerafinasGoose · 06/07/2024 18:39

I just can't compute helicopter parenting like this, or the automatic assumption that our DC is the most special in the world and that everybody else's can go hang (the real world just doesn't work that way), or that they can do no wrong and anyone claiming otherwise needs 'confronting', or this level of micro-investment in our children's schools. Some of these people behave as though they and not their children are the ones in attendance; who are having to navigate these kinds of nuances, difficulties and arguments every day.

Poor, poor teachers and support staff! I don't know how you stand it.

And before the inevitable responses assume I'm an uninvolved, disinterested parent who couldn't care less about my child's education, I am also an educator. I value education as much as the most dedicated parent or teacher, and I'm trying (as we all are) to raise my child to be an independent, well-adjusted adult. But I'm by no means convinced that helicopter parenting and continual interference in every aspect of my child's life is the way to do it.

This kind of learned helplessness is leaching through into H.E., too. When I was a student, had my parents turned up at university to give my lecturers shit, or to challenge the grades awarded, or to complain about the course in general or plead for special attention for their ultra, uber, special little darling, I'd have thrown my coat over my head then and there and from that point onward never shown my face on campus again!

It is, however, by no means unusual these days to receive emails, phone calls, requests for meetings etc., from parents. Note that these over-18-YO students are technically adults and I barely have sufficient time to devote to them, let alone their parents into the bargain.

These people need to get a clue, or better still, a life of their own that isn't lived vicariously through their now adult kids. I'm completely out of patience with humouring this nonsense.

Parents call you up at university?!! That's astonishing.

Longma · 06/07/2024 20:50

HonoraBridge · 06/07/2024 18:28

Wow, OP, you are getting a very hard time here! I am sorry for that and for your situation. If feels like there a lot of undercurrents with other mumsnetters. There are some teachers who are (a lot) better than others and there is nothing wrong with wanting the best for your child. I wish that I could suggest something apart from sending moral support. Good luck.

I think it was the 'heartbroken' and 'child punished for being good' that caused some comments.

This isn't heartbreaking. A little disappointing initially maybe. My child's teacher dying suddenly was heartbreaking not the fact that they had to have a different teacher.

AtomicPumpkin · 07/07/2024 07:50

Tell me you've never experienced actual heartbreak without telling me......

ElaineMBenes · 07/07/2024 09:12

Parents call you up at university?!! That's astonishing.

I recently had a parent attempt to put in an official complaint because they felt we'd treated their child unfairly...... their 'child' is a 24 year old master's student who had been subject to disciplinary proceedings due to making racist comments while on placement.

Eleganz · 07/07/2024 09:23

Sounds like you are looking for issue to be concerned about to me.

Your DS seemed to be doing very well before Mr T was on these scene and no doubt will continue to do well afterwards.

crumblingschools · 07/07/2024 09:32

@Llamasinjamas I’m amazed you didn’t mention complaining to Ofsted

SerafinasGoose · 07/07/2024 11:09

WhatNext24 · 06/07/2024 20:50

Parents call you up at university?!! That's astonishing.

Tell me about it. It's by no means an everyday occurence but not an infrequent one.

It's a different matter entirely, of course, with students who have significant SEN and may have agreed with the university in the first instance for their parent to advocate for them. No problem with that for me at all.

Nowadays it's usually possible to hide behind GPDR, and indeed that's often a legitimate reason for refusal to engage. A data breach costs the employer I think around £18m or 4% of annual turnover. Imagine the huge sums involved with a university? No one with any sense is going to take that risk.

Some of the parents, can, however, be very aggressively persistent until they get the message that 'no' means no.

MasterBeth · 07/07/2024 11:13

hurlyburlygirly · 06/07/2024 12:28

Kindly, you are being a bit batshit over all this.

Try modelling a bit of resilience and change readiness to your ds. He will need it in this world.

Kindly, putting "kindly" at the start of your post doesn't make it any kinder.

You're right, though. The OP is being batshit crazy.

Zombiemama84 · 07/07/2024 11:22

Been trying to think of a nice response but its very hard when your posts are quite ridiculous. Very rarely do pupils get the same teacher twice. Even if theres a chance they could get the same teacher they are not going to pick children just because they want to be with that teacher - or the parent wants them to be with that teacher (wondering if you actually have a crush on him lol) they will mix the classes due to needs, academic levels, support needed etc.

I cannot get over the "I feel like my son is being punished for being a good boy" seriously? Give your head a wobble. I hope you dont push these victim thoughts onto your son.

Zombiemama84 · 07/07/2024 11:22

Aliciainwunderland · 06/07/2024 16:01

Anyone else think Mr T maybe didn’t want OP as a parent 😂😂

also I read the OP in the voice of Amanda from a motherland

🤣

FlossyChick · 07/07/2024 11:23

Teacher here…with years of experience.
You cannot engineer every situation to suit your child, in the long term this creates unrealistic expectations of school/life. Getting a new teacher each year is normal, learning to manage the feelings that come with any kind of disappointment is vital for a child and a healthy way to grow. Also consider that the teacher may not want to continue teaching a child with a clingy parent who cannot let go. This teacher sounds like they are being very professional in listening but they also may feel pressured and uncomfortable being such a ‘favourite’. My advice would be to let it go- your child will learn new things from a new professional, how wonderful to have the opportunity to learn new things from a different committed and professional person.
I also remember a situation very similar to this in my own child’s primary school. The teacher ultimately left the school for another job/a change because a parent became too emotionally attached in a similar way and it was inappropriate. Teachers are professionals- they don’t ‘belong’ to any child. Healthy boundaries are important.

Zombiemama84 · 07/07/2024 11:25

NerrSnerr · 06/07/2024 16:33

OP, you may have to accept that it's you who is attached to the teacher more than your son. Don't offer to do a club with him- that's mad. If they want parent helpers for anything they'll ask.

The headteacher coming over in the conversation may indicate that there has been something flagged. Do you spend a lot of time chatting to the teacher before or after school or sending messages?

It does make you wonder....