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to want to go for a walk with my DCs and my mother without encountering men cottageing?

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scampadoodle · 10/04/2008 17:38

Okay, so it was Hampstead Heath, but it was the middle of the day & there were loads of men 'casually' sauntering around, hovering in bushes, waiting in their cars - and it was just really unpleasant as I never knew whether I was going to come across some of them actually doing something. I don't think my mother quite cottoned on, although she noticed them, as she said "I wouldn't come here by yourself" (Hmm - not sure they'd be that interested in me!)

I'm not homophobic (although the need for constant anonymous gratification I find a bit distasteful) but why can't they do it in the evening or at night? Why must they make a lovely place a no-go area for the rest of us?

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Bridie3 · 10/04/2008 17:43

Entirely see your point. As I would also if it were heterosexual men trying to pick up women for immediate sex. Inappropriate in daylight hours.

scampadoodle · 10/04/2008 17:46

Yes, sorry, that would offend me too but it was just men in this case!

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Boco · 10/04/2008 17:47

I went for a walk with friend and dds in West Brompton cemetery last week and naively asked her why there were so many men just milling about casually everywhere, and she said they were cottagers. I found it quite frustrating, they seemed unable to actually meet, they kept missing each other, I wanted to provide a signpost service and say 'don't go round there, there's a rather sinister looking man with dirty joggers and driving gloves on - try over by that big tomb where there's quite a handsome man pretending to read a book'. But I don't suppose my help was really warranted.

Bluebutterfly · 10/04/2008 17:52

I used to jog on hampstead heath and it was particularly bad at dusk - men emerging randomly out of bushes etc. And while I am sure that I was of no interest to them, it was still very uncomfortable.

DarrellRivers · 10/04/2008 17:54

/was it west heath?, in which case is renowned for cottaging.
I used to live near there, perilous for an afternoon walk

DarrellRivers · 10/04/2008 17:56

in fact if it was west heath, YaBU, they've been there longer than you

brimfull · 10/04/2008 17:58

I do find the whole concept of cottaging very strange and animal like.

sarah293 · 10/04/2008 18:01

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fillybuster · 10/04/2008 18:05

it must depend which bit of the heath you walk on...i've been going all my life, generally to the bit with the various ponds near the bottom of parliament hill and over towards kenwood house and gardens, and have never encountered anything like that...

scottishmummy · 10/04/2008 18:08

lol riven i agree

NorthernLurker · 10/04/2008 18:11

my poor dh when very stressed with work last year said he was off out for a walk one fine spring evening. There's a cycle path not too far away from that - it looks a nice spot as we drive past - 'I'll stroll that way' he thought. He was approached by a man - who far from propositioning him - accused him of being on the look out himself! Dh protested his innocence and retreated. We had no idea that was the local spot. Obviously it was full of stressed out executives taking some light excercise!

marmadukescarlet · 10/04/2008 18:12

LOL @ Boco's cottaging advice service!

hifi · 10/04/2008 18:23

its the condoms left behind that really f* me off.

blueshoes · 10/04/2008 18:25

Why do they come out of bushes? If they are casually sauntering around, are they within eyeline of each other. If not, what happens when 2 bump into each other?

KerryMum · 10/04/2008 18:27

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getmeouttahere · 10/04/2008 21:05

What exactly is "cottaging" and why is it called that ?

scottishmummy · 10/04/2008 21:11

cottaging from wikipedia

ScienceTeacher · 10/04/2008 21:22

I came across the term rather late in life , on reading this article about visiting Britain:

HELPFUL ADVICE FOR TOURISTS DRIVING IN ENGLAND
If you are planning to visit the United Kingdom and happen to come from one of the many countries that drive on the wrong side of the road, the following advice, direct from the Ministry of Transport, is for you:

"Visitors are informed that in the United Kingdom traffic drives on the left-hand side of the road. In the interests of safety, you are advised to practise this in your country of origin for a week or two before driving in the UK."

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HELPFUL ADVICE FOR TOURISTS IN ENGLAND
Hello, and welcome to England, You'll find England a warm sunny country, with welcoming people, and good food which is much cheaper than you might expect. London in particular is not highly-priced like most capital cities.

  • Street Traders - use them wherever you have the opportunity; they are honest and helpful, especially if you are not used to the currency. The majority will accept most foreign currencies anyway; alternatively, don't be afraid to offer them credit cards. They will expect you to haggle over prices though, and exchange jokes, such as: "I think you gave me the wrong change you cockney bastard".

-Coming by car? Look out for the special double-yellow tourist-only parking lines in the streets. You may park here for as long as you like for free. Foreign tourists are exempt from parking-meter and car-park charges.

-Also look out for the special toilets on the corners of many streets; don't be inhibited by the glass doors; use them freely. They are automatically flushed, cleaned and disinfected after you leave.

Taxis

-Taxis - This is the cheapest form of transport in London. Use them on the journey to and from Heathrow. Under no circumstances give a tip: the driver will feel insulted.

London taxi drivers, unlike those in say, New York, are renowned for their liberal open-minded attitudes. Even if you don't, pretend to have left-wing, liberal opinions; you will win their sympathy and friendship.

  • Ask them to take you to the grave of Karl Marx in Highgate Cemetary.
  • Tell them you have come over for a conference about single lesbian parents on welfare; imply that you yourself are gay; if you are black, you get extra points.
  • Tell them how you used to demonstrate against the Vietnam War, capital punishment, and more recently, the Gulf War.
  • Light up a joint in the cab and offer them a puff.

-If travelling in a large party, get all your friends to pile their luggage into the one taxi; get your driver to take all the luggage up to your hotel-again, a tip must NOT be offered, but a homely piece of proverbial advice from your native land is always welcomed. Suggest to him that the Royal Family should be abolished.

The Police

Like taxi-drivers, these too are renowned for their helpfulness, open-mindedness, and liberal views. Feel free to ask them directions or the time of day; they enjoy such traditional japes as:

"Does your head go all the way to the top of your helmet?" or "Is that a truncheon you've got in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me?".

Don't call them "Bobby" though; try "sweetie", "ducky", or "woodentop" instead; You will be surprised at their warm reaction.

Don't forget that you can always make free phone calls back home via their personal radio; just ask.

Look out for the next edition of Tourist Tips for England, in which we'll feature The Albert Hall - best least-known tourist hotel in town. "Take Tea with the PM at Number Ten", and "What is the REAL significance of Beefeaters at the Tower of London?; discrete gay quarters you may not know about".

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America n's Guide to Britain
This guide is for American tourists visiting Britain, who may otherwise be confused by strange British customs.
General The Brits have peculiar words for many things. Money is referred to as "goolies" in slang, so you should for instance say "I'd love to come to the pub but I haven't got any goolies." "Quid" is the modern word for what was once called a "shilling" the equivalent of seventeen cents American. Underpants are called "wellies" and friends are called "tossers." If you are fond of someone, you should tell him he is a "great tosser" he will be touched. The English are a notoriously demonstrative, tactile people, and if you want to fit in you should hold hands with your acquaintances and tossers when you walk down the street. Public nuzzling and licking are also encouraged, but only between people of the same sex.

Universities University archives and manuscript collections are still governed by quaint medieval rules retained out of respect for tradition; hence patrons are expected to bring to the reading rooms their own ink-pots and a small knife for sharpening their pens. Observing these customs will signal the librarians that you are "in the know" -- one of the inner circle, as it were, for the rules are unwritten and not posted anywhere in the library. Likewise, it is customary to kiss the librarian on both cheeks when he brings a manuscript you've requested, a practice dating back to the reign of Henry VI.

One of the most delighful ways to spend an afternoon in Oxford or Cambridge is gliding gently down the river in one of their flat- bottomed boats, which you propel using a long pole. This is known as "cottaging." Many of the boats (called "yer-i-nals") are privately owned by the colleges, but there are some places that rent them to the public by the hour. Just tell a professor or policeman that you are interested in doing some cottaging and would like to know where the public yerinals are. The poles must be treated with vegetable oil to protect them from the water, so it's a good idea to buy a can of Crisco and have it on you when you ask directions to the yerinals. That way people will know you are an experienced cottager.

Food British cuisine enjoys a well deserved reputation as the most sublime gastronomic pleasure available to man. Thanks to today's robust dollar, the American traveller can easily afford to dine out several times a week (rest assured that a British meal is worth interrupting your afternoon wank for). Few foreigners are aware that there are several grades of meat in the UK. The best cuts of meat, like the best bottles of gin, bear Her Majesty's seal, called the British Stamp of Excellence (BSE). When you go to a fine restaurant, tell your waiter you want BSE beef and won't settle for anything less. If he balks at your request, custom dictates that you jerk your head imperiously back and forth while rolling your eyes to show him who is boss.

Once the waiter realizes you are a person of discriminating taste, he may offer to let you peruse the restaurant's list of exquisite British wines. If he doesn't, you should order one anyway. The best wine grapes grow on the steep, chalky hillsides of Yorkshire and East Anglia -- try an Ely '84 or Ripon '88 for a rare treat indeed. When the bill for your meal comes it will show a suggested amount. Pay whatever you think is fair, unless you plan to dine there again, in which case you should simply walk out; the restaurant host will understand that he should run a tab for you.

Transportation Public taxis are subsidized by the Her Majesty's Government. A taxi ride in London costs two pounds, no matter how far you travel. If a taxi driver tries to overcharge you, you should yell "I think not, you charlatan!", then grab the nearest bobby and have the driver arrested. It is rarely necessary to take a taxi, though, since bus drivers are required to make detours at patrons' requests. Just board any bus, pay your fare of thruppence (the heavy gold-colored coins are "pence"), and state your destination clearly to the driver, e.g.: "Please take me to the British Library." A driver will frequently try to have a bit of harmless fun by pretending he doesn't go to your requested destination. Ignore him, as he is only teasing the American tourist (little does he know you're not so ignorant!)

Speaking of the British Library, you should know that it has recently moved to a new location at Kew. Kew is a small fishing village in Wales. It can be reached by taking the train to Cardiff; once there, ask any local about the complimentary shuttle bus to Kew. Don't forget that buses are called "prams" in England, and trains are called "bumbershoots"--it's a little confusing at first. Motorcycles are called "lorries" and the hospital, for reasons unknown, is called the "off-license". It's also very important to know that a "doctor" only means a PhD in England, not a physician. If you want a physician, you must ask for an "MP" (which stands for "master physician").

For those travelling on a shoestring budget, the London Tube may be the most economical way to get about, especially if you are a woman. Chivalry is alive and well in Britain, and ladies still travel for free on the Tube. Simply take some tokens from the baskets at the base of the escalators or on the platforms; you will find one near any of the state-sponsored Tube musicians.

Once on the platform, though, beware! Approaching trains sometimes disturb the large Gappe bats that roost in the tunnels. The Gappes were smuggled into London in the early 19th century by French saboteurs and have proved impossible to exterminate. The announcement "Mind the Gappe!" is a signal that you should grab your hair and look towards the ceiling. Very few people have ever been killed by Gappes, though, and they are considered only a minor drawback to an otherwise excellent means of transportation. (If you have difficulty locating the Tube station, merely follow the signs that say "Subway" and ask one of the full-time attendants where you can catch the bumbershoot.)

One final note: for preferential treatment when you arrive at Heathrow airport, announce that you are a member of Shin Fane (an international Jewish peace organization -- the "shin" stands for "shalom"). As savvy travellers know, this little white lie will assure you priority treatment as you make your way through customs; otherwise you could waste all day in line. You might, in fact, want to ask a customs agent to put a Shin Fane stamp in your passport, as it will expedite things on your return trip.

getmeouttahere · 10/04/2008 21:28

Thank you scienceteacher for what must be the most comprehensive answer EVER on Mumsnet

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