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To sack off a client for asking my religion

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mrsgtobe97 · 04/07/2024 18:47

Recently been made redundant while on maternity leave from my oil & gas job and have started up self employed with a cleaning company. It has started off great and I have been fully booked with a waiting list already which is great. However, I I went to go view a clients house yesterday afternoon, arrived & was a massive mansion, thought okay this will be fine. The woman was nice however when I stepped in the home it was absolutely immaculate and I just got the sense from her she would be watching over my shoulder a lot. She then proceeded to take me to her second home down the hill which has a tenant, this woman was very prim and proper and after a few minutes she says oh it’s nice to have someone with a good background, are you Christian? I said emmm no would probably say I’m an atheist, then she proceeded to ask me if I had Christian values.
I immediately felt very uneasy and out of place, I just didn't vibe with them.
Upon reflection, I'm wondering whether to try shake them off, I just don't know what to do.
I don't necessarily need the money as I can replace the hours but I just feel bad, maybe I'm being too judgemental?!

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mrsgtobe97 · 04/07/2024 19:27

Bluemincat · 04/07/2024 18:50

I don't know what "sack off" means but why would you need to "vibe" with your client? Does sound like you're being judgemental to me.

Sack off means to not use the client, or bin them.
In my experience yes you do need to gel with the people you're working with, at the end of the day one of the perks of being self employed is being able to choose who you work with!

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Bluemincat · 04/07/2024 19:29

Well yes of course you can choose who you work with. But your question was whether you were being judgemental in not accepting her as a client because of her question about religion.

Liripipe · 04/07/2024 19:30

DanielGault · 04/07/2024 19:09

I'm just imagining the conversation: "you haven't cleaned the bath in a sufficiently Christian way. Please go back and redo it" 😂

Grin

I agree with a pp, I think that both 'good background' and 'Christian values' are (not very covert) code here for 'Will you nick the silver?'

This is reminding me of an article I think in the Guardian aeons back, where a couple of well-heeled High Tory housewives in I think the Cotswolds set up as cleaners, quite explicitly on the grounds that their high-end clients were going to trust 'someone from the same background', and not have to supervise them, because they weren't going to filch their valuables or their husbands.

pigsDOfly · 04/07/2024 19:30

Bluemincat · 04/07/2024 19:25

So...you're judging me on not understanding what "sack off" means? And saying I'm judgmental for putting it in inverted commas? Because most peoppe on social media would know what it means. Right...

Not judging you no.

Aria999 · 04/07/2024 19:32

Yes it's a very personal question and quite rude.

Either it matters to her that her cleaner is Christian in which case you don't fit the bill, or it doesn't in which case she is awkwardly personal and nosy.

I would pass on this one.

betterangels · 04/07/2024 19:33

mrsgtobe97 · 04/07/2024 19:27

Sack off means to not use the client, or bin them.
In my experience yes you do need to gel with the people you're working with, at the end of the day one of the perks of being self employed is being able to choose who you work with!

one of the perks of being self employed is being able to choose who you work with!

Isn't that exactly why most of us do it? I agree. If you don't need the work, I wouldn't go back.

mrsgtobe97 · 04/07/2024 19:33

I feel like I should also add that she also told me that another cleaner had been in to view the properties and she had ghosted her and the client couldn't figure out why. It's all clicking now I'm reflecting on it.

Also I wasn't judging the woman on having an immaculate house, however I have trepidations that someone with that status may be the type to micromanage and I'm worried that under that environment I won't be comfortable, and I started the business as cleaning is something I love to do.
'Prim and proper' wasn't ageist or whatever the other pp said, she was my age (late 20s early 30s), but she made some very strange comments on a few things that made alarm bells ring.

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DanielGault · 04/07/2024 19:34

Aria999 · 04/07/2024 19:32

Yes it's a very personal question and quite rude.

Either it matters to her that her cleaner is Christian in which case you don't fit the bill, or it doesn't in which case she is awkwardly personal and nosy.

I would pass on this one.

She should really just recruit in her church then to save such awkward encounters.

Marblessolveeverything · 04/07/2024 19:35

Bluemincat · 04/07/2024 19:26

Why do you need to share the same views as your client?

There is a mistype in my second statement I will try edit it should read don’t instead of do

i think my first comment is very clear I don’t care what if any religion, sexual orientation, political view etc. But generally people who don’t have the social intelligence not to discuss in a professional setting hasn’t been positive.

i have quite a few ‘very worried’ comments in my work places about being atheist, pure ignorant.

mrsgtobe97 · 04/07/2024 19:36

And also I should say I have absolutely nothing against Christian's, my husbands family is Christian and I have zero issues with it. What made me uncomfortable was asking if I was and then following up and asking if I had Christian values, I would never ask anyone's religion as at the end of the day it doesn't matter as long as they do their job well

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DanielGault · 04/07/2024 19:36

mrsgtobe97 · 04/07/2024 19:33

I feel like I should also add that she also told me that another cleaner had been in to view the properties and she had ghosted her and the client couldn't figure out why. It's all clicking now I'm reflecting on it.

Also I wasn't judging the woman on having an immaculate house, however I have trepidations that someone with that status may be the type to micromanage and I'm worried that under that environment I won't be comfortable, and I started the business as cleaning is something I love to do.
'Prim and proper' wasn't ageist or whatever the other pp said, she was my age (late 20s early 30s), but she made some very strange comments on a few things that made alarm bells ring.

I took prim and proper to mean uptight rather than old when I read it first. Although there are some pearls in the mental image I must admit ☺️

Bluemincat · 04/07/2024 19:47

I just think the world would be better if people were more prepared to be around people who are different to them and not only want to be around people who think the same as them. Otherwise you spend your life putting people into categories of "people like me" and "people not like me" and avoiding the latter.

The woman asked an inappropriate question, yes definitely. Maybe she is an intolerant judgmental Christian. Maybe she is a lovely person who isn't aware of the inappropriateness of her question and has never worked in a professional environment and just made a stupid spur of the moment comment out of awkwardness. We know nothing about her life or background except that she is wealthy, Christian and supposedly "prim and proper".

It's totally up to you who you work for and if you don't want to work for this women then don't. But your question was whether you are being judgmental and, from the bare facts that we have, I would say that you are being judgmental in only wanting to work with people that you vibe/gel with, yes.

Just my opinion and maybe you're happy taking that stance. As you say, you can pick and choose who you work for. But yes I do think that there is prejudice and judgment in doing so. Perhaps the same kind of prejudice and judgment that people are accusing the client of? Just a thought.

Bluemincat · 04/07/2024 19:49

@Marblessolveeverything what did you mean by this:

"I have quite a few ‘very worried’ comments in my work places about being atheist, pure ignorant."

mrsgtobe97 · 04/07/2024 19:50

Bluemincat · 04/07/2024 19:47

I just think the world would be better if people were more prepared to be around people who are different to them and not only want to be around people who think the same as them. Otherwise you spend your life putting people into categories of "people like me" and "people not like me" and avoiding the latter.

The woman asked an inappropriate question, yes definitely. Maybe she is an intolerant judgmental Christian. Maybe she is a lovely person who isn't aware of the inappropriateness of her question and has never worked in a professional environment and just made a stupid spur of the moment comment out of awkwardness. We know nothing about her life or background except that she is wealthy, Christian and supposedly "prim and proper".

It's totally up to you who you work for and if you don't want to work for this women then don't. But your question was whether you are being judgmental and, from the bare facts that we have, I would say that you are being judgmental in only wanting to work with people that you vibe/gel with, yes.

Just my opinion and maybe you're happy taking that stance. As you say, you can pick and choose who you work for. But yes I do think that there is prejudice and judgment in doing so. Perhaps the same kind of prejudice and judgment that people are accusing the client of? Just a thought.

I don't mind about working or being around people that are different to me, as I said in my previous post my husbands family are Christian, I don't care about other religion, she could have 5 heads and I wouldn't care. I care about how I was made to feel being put on the spot about my own religion which I find inappropriate. This is the feeling I got from being in her presence and I want to feel comfortable when I'm working for someone

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Marblessolveeverything · 04/07/2024 20:01

Bluemincat · 04/07/2024 19:49

@Marblessolveeverything what did you mean by this:

"I have quite a few ‘very worried’ comments in my work places about being atheist, pure ignorant."

you appear to find a lot text challenging this evening.

I mean what I said they would be very worried about me and my children and make inappropriate comments about how my children were off to imaginary hell. Completely ignorant and illegal in professional settings.

LastTrainEast · 04/07/2024 20:11

Drop the client as they will likely be a problem later. It's not about your feelings about her religion but her view that there's something wrong with people without Christian values. It will come up again.

Personally I've never seen the attraction of ritual cannibalism or the moral value in following a god who is celebrated for drowning lots of babies and sending bears to slaughter naughty children, but each to their own.

Thedayb4youcame · 04/07/2024 20:17

If you are self-employed, while working "for a cleaning company" and can still pick & choose your clients, then a casual question about your religious beliefs is the least of your worries.

People who go to agencies for a cleaner are often DESPERATE for a cleaning, having usually gone through one after the other.

Added to which, they'll be paying a lot of money to the agency, while you'll be lucky to get £12 per hour, which is well under minimum wage when you factor in holiday pay and other benefits you get on a payroll, plus travel time.

Keep the client. Dump the client. Do what you like, but if you don't mind cleaning houses and you're already self employed, splash out £60 on a public liability policy and start finding your own clients, who you can meet & vet before you even consider working for them. Genuine clients who just want their housework done by a regular trustworthy person will be falling over themselves to keep you.

I type this sitting on the stairs of a house I have been cleaning for over 18 years...they come home from holiday tomorrow and I will get a gushing text message when they do, saying how wonderful it is to come back to a fresh house. They treat me very well, and they pay very well. Good luck.

Whoiam · 04/07/2024 20:18

Would you feel the same if someone asked you if you were a Buddhist? Why are you so triggered by Christianity?

mrsgtobe97 · 04/07/2024 20:20

Thedayb4youcame · 04/07/2024 20:17

If you are self-employed, while working "for a cleaning company" and can still pick & choose your clients, then a casual question about your religious beliefs is the least of your worries.

People who go to agencies for a cleaner are often DESPERATE for a cleaning, having usually gone through one after the other.

Added to which, they'll be paying a lot of money to the agency, while you'll be lucky to get £12 per hour, which is well under minimum wage when you factor in holiday pay and other benefits you get on a payroll, plus travel time.

Keep the client. Dump the client. Do what you like, but if you don't mind cleaning houses and you're already self employed, splash out £60 on a public liability policy and start finding your own clients, who you can meet & vet before you even consider working for them. Genuine clients who just want their housework done by a regular trustworthy person will be falling over themselves to keep you.

I type this sitting on the stairs of a house I have been cleaning for over 18 years...they come home from holiday tomorrow and I will get a gushing text message when they do, saying how wonderful it is to come back to a fresh house. They treat me very well, and they pay very well. Good luck.

Sorry maybe my post is unclear. I'm self employed at my own cleaning company, I get paid £18 p/h.

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mrsgtobe97 · 04/07/2024 20:21

Whoiam · 04/07/2024 20:18

Would you feel the same if someone asked you if you were a Buddhist? Why are you so triggered by Christianity?

Yes I would. I don't care which religion, I just don't feel it's something appropriate to ask.

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Thedayb4youcame · 04/07/2024 20:24

mrsgtobe97 · 04/07/2024 20:20

Sorry maybe my post is unclear. I'm self employed at my own cleaning company, I get paid £18 p/h.

Ah well in that case, you do you. Don't give this any more headspace. If it's not working then simply decline any more work from her.

You are your own boss now - be you.

SewingBees · 04/07/2024 20:28

pigsDOfly · 04/07/2024 19:08

As someone who isn't at all religious but has very high moral values, I've always found the idea that somehow 'Christian value' are some how superior to other people's values extremely offensive, especially given some of the 'values' that have seen to be held by certain people in some Christian organisations.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Someone who asked, wanted or hoped I was a Christian would not be on my client list.

Ponderingwindow · 04/07/2024 21:31

If someone applies for a job at a bank or a retail shop and the interviewer asks about the applicant’s religion, would the people saying op is being judgmental really be ok with that?

even asking the question sets the employer up for legitimate accusations of discrimination.

EdgyCat · 04/07/2024 21:45

Go with your guts. I would find her questions inappropriate, too. Make up an excuse why you can't take on this job.

godmum56 · 04/07/2024 22:05

I would say its your company and your choice.