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To not understand what they expect me to do?

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bloodypublicservice · 03/07/2024 13:58

I was called up for jury service starting in less than two weeks from now. I work Saturdays only as I otherwise do all of the childcare whilst my partner works full time. Originally I stated I was available as my MIL was going to have our daughter, however MIL has experienced a significant and unexpected health issue resulting in being hospitalised for the foreseeable. I've contacted the relevant department to have received a response stating that my request to be excused from this call for service has been refused and that I must still attend at the stated day/time. It mentions appealing but that a hearing is likely to be called, and given the start date is so soon, it's realistically not going to be resolved before starting.

WIBU to show up on my start date with my child and ask what else they expected me to do? We have no other local family and no provision for external childcare.

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summeroccupation · 03/07/2024 20:44

kickerconspiracy · 03/07/2024 20:40

There's no reason why the court can't let the OP defer and use the other people called to fill the jury.

@summeroccupation

And that’s what they should and probably will do but it would have saved a lot of hassle to not agree to do it in the first place if you are relying on one person to provide childcare because there’s always the chance that might fall through.

That's the most stretched logic I've ever heard.

The op could have been hit by a bus on the morning of jury service resulting in the same thing.

Life isn't perfect, no one has a crystal ball, and systems need to have flexibility to deal with it.

summeroccupation · 03/07/2024 20:45

Sallyh87 · 03/07/2024 20:41

Seriously?! You think she can just drop her toddler with neighbours for two weeks?

It might not even be two weeks! Plenty of cases go on for much longer! 😬 People seem to be overlooking that.

JenniferBooth · 03/07/2024 20:46

summeroccupation · 03/07/2024 20:10

It didn't cover anything when I did jury service last year - and the cafe has nothing I could eat (I have coeliac disease) - even the chips had wheat in them!

My case lasted for ten weeks - I think it played a significant role in why I was made redundant recently.

I'm still paying off the credit card bill I ran up paying for food, transport, and covering my lost wages. It really is a spectacularly shit system at the moment and needs to be overhauled.

This is one of the things im being tested for . Its shit having to have your life revolve around..........shit Flowers

CharlotteBog · 03/07/2024 20:48

summeroccupation · 03/07/2024 19:58

That doesn't apply because the husband isn't the one who has been called to do the jury service!

Yes, I realise my mistake now.

CharlotteBog · 03/07/2024 20:49

Kinshipug · 03/07/2024 16:04

Those rights do not extend to spouses.

Yes, I realise my mistake now.

tsmainsqueeze · 03/07/2024 20:51

VolvoFan · 03/07/2024 15:10

If the court has refused then it means they cannot work around you. You've been summoned and your presence will be the difference between a violent offender going to prison or walking free. It sucks, but this is genuinely a case of 'it is what it is'. Good luck.

Rubbish ! more people than needed are called for jury service so there is always a full set of jury by law for each case from the people called up , of course the op missing service will not make a difference .

Riversideandrelax · 03/07/2024 20:52

Crunchymum · 03/07/2024 14:41

Who is able to magic up two weeks of childcare with two weeks notice?

Who is allowed to book two weeks of annual leave with two weeks notice?

Who has a neighbour / friend who is willing and able to provide childcare for two weeks?

MN never ceases to amaze me.

Quite.

TheOnlyMooncat · 03/07/2024 20:55

Worth a try. When I did jury service, one woman turned up with her dogs in the car and told them she couldn't leave them at home and couldn't leave them in the car all day, so they sent her home. Not sure if she had to come in every day and do the same though, I only saw her the first day.

CuttingMeOpenthenHealingMeFine · 03/07/2024 21:33

Sallyh87 · 03/07/2024 20:41

Seriously?! You think she can just drop her toddler with neighbours for two weeks?

That would be a great Aibu thread though ‘My CF neighbour asked me to babysit her toddler for two week, maybe longer’.

A case finished not that long ago in Glasgow that lasted for two years imagine trying to get back to normal after that, imagine choosing to be a SAHM then losing two years of your DC’s childhood because of the luck of the draw at getting picked for jury duty that week!

diddl · 03/07/2024 21:53

How does having a child to look after not count for anything?

I think that unfortunately Op has "muddled" it somehow by accepting & then trying to refuse.

It's ridiculous.

Op thought she could do it & perhaps get it done & out of the way so accepted rather than excuse/defer straight away.

Honestly-no good deed!

Do they not realise that not everyone lives near family anymore, knows all of their neighbours, have friends, family, neighbours who don't work, could help out indefinitely and on & on!

2yrs!

SecondRow · 03/07/2024 21:54

theRealRoseByAnyOtherName · 03/07/2024 17:57

@bloodypublicservice according to https://www.gov.uk/jury-service/delaying-or-being-excused-from-jury-service you can ask to change the date or be excused if you are a new parent and will not be able to serve at any other time in the next twelve months.

According to https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/64244c732fa848000cec0eed/summoning-officers-when-considering-deferral-excusal-applications-guidance.pdf a 'new parent' is one with an infant or child younger than compulsory school age.

I would politely challenge the decision you have been given - or ask why these guidelines don't apply to your circumstances.

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Just highlighting this post as I don't think anyone has commented on it and it seems to be the single most useful one in the whole thread.

JenniferBooth · 03/07/2024 22:23

CuttingMeOpenthenHealingMeFine · 03/07/2024 21:33

That would be a great Aibu thread though ‘My CF neighbour asked me to babysit her toddler for two week, maybe longer’.

A case finished not that long ago in Glasgow that lasted for two years imagine trying to get back to normal after that, imagine choosing to be a SAHM then losing two years of your DC’s childhood because of the luck of the draw at getting picked for jury duty that week!

Covid taught me that the state does not see us as human and the way jury service is run has not disabused me of this notion.

People are human. People get ill Like the OPs MIL.

MissingMoominMamma · 03/07/2024 22:32

JoyousPinkPeer · 03/07/2024 15:38

You must have been given plenty of notice and should have taken steps to get hubby to apply for parental.leave instead of just waiting and presuming you would not have to attend. Perhaps he should ask for leave or holiday now!
I don't understand why people are suggesting you get a sick note or claim you are breast feeding, that's just ridiculous. No wonder the country is in the state it's in ... people looking for excuses not to do things instead of just gritting their teeth and getting on with life's demands.

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She’s got a 14 month old child and a MIL who needs care.

RacingRedCar · 03/07/2024 23:31

OP, give the courts another call and explain. Follow up in writing if they say they won’t budge. Just a short email to say, “I spoke to Bob Smith on whatever date and explained my situation why I cannot attend.” They probably won’t read the email for months but it’s for your records.

Then on the day, take a print out of the letter, tell DC you are going on an exciting day trip together and front up to court, baby and all. I think at worst you and DC will be waiting a few hours until one of the prosecutors or other lawyers will realise how insane it all is and will sort it out fast.

Movinghouseatlast · 04/07/2024 11:19

summeroccupation · 03/07/2024 20:45

It might not even be two weeks! Plenty of cases go on for much longer! 😬 People seem to be overlooking that.

When you are there they ask people to volunteer for the longer cases. You have to say why you can't do it- I'm self employed and that was reason enough.

Thursdaygirl · 04/07/2024 13:12

I do wonder what sort of life/job you’d have left, after a two year case??

Riversideandrelax · 04/07/2024 13:21

Thursdaygirl · 04/07/2024 13:12

I do wonder what sort of life/job you’d have left, after a two year case??

Yes, it's hard to imagine. Do these people get any support?

CuttingMeOpenthenHealingMeFine · 04/07/2024 13:41

Here is a link to the story, apologies if it doesn’t work also it was 20 months not a full two years before someone comes on and nit picks on that fact!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-40946653.amp

jurors

'We spent almost two years sitting on a jury' - BBC News

Four of the jurors from the longest trial in criminal history tell how it is still affecting them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-40946653.amp

Thefaceofboe · 04/07/2024 18:35

VolvoFan · 03/07/2024 15:10

If the court has refused then it means they cannot work around you. You've been summoned and your presence will be the difference between a violent offender going to prison or walking free. It sucks, but this is genuinely a case of 'it is what it is'. Good luck.

But what is she meant to do with her child?! How are people not getting it?

AgentProvocateur · 04/07/2024 19:09

Thefaceofboe · 04/07/2024 18:35

But what is she meant to do with her child?! How are people not getting it?

She needs to ask a friend to look after her child for a couple of hours on day 1, and she needs to ask to be excused when she’s there.

Lyraloo · 04/07/2024 19:28

AllotmentTime · 03/07/2024 14:09

What does no provision for external childcare mean? Can you offer some kind of proof of this? As that's what they will expect you to do- send your DD to a childminder or nursery.

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Absolutely and you can claim expenses.

Sakuem · 04/07/2024 19:56

Anononony · 03/07/2024 15:29

Out of interest, what do they do if you have something like adhd but aren't yet diagnosed? If I got called that would be the position I'd be in, there's no adult diagnosis pathway in my area currently so I've no diagnosis and I'm not on a waitlist to be assessed (I tried and got a letter saying there's no nhs pathway for this in my area) so no 'proof', but I'd be useless on a jury!

This is what I worry about, if I am still supposed to do Jury service with AuDHD, OCD and anxiety w/ panic attacks, etc.
Am also BF a 9.m.o.

I think that OP should be allowed to defer until youngest child is school age.
I also agree to try to appeal and if you are still expected to turn up, then bring your baby, as I've seen in other comments that they apparently call in more people than they need and then choose 12 and send the rest home. They can definitely see that you cannot attend with your 14 m.o. and no-one to look after them for you.
But to apply for the deferral appeal in the meantime.
Hoping that they allow you to defer until children have started school.
xx

Gogogo12345 · 04/07/2024 20:33

Lyraloo · 04/07/2024 19:28

Absolutely and you can claim expenses.

How are you going to get a temporary place at short notice?

Chummychoos · 04/07/2024 20:45

I cannot give advice, but I would love to be called for jury service. How do they actually decide who to call?

Lyraloo · 04/07/2024 20:52

Gogogo12345 · 04/07/2024 20:33

How are you going to get a temporary place at short notice?

People get notice, she clearly doesn’t want to do it, so many people don’t these days! I wonder how they’d feel if it was a family member the courts were defending! They’d want a jury to listen to their case then!