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To stand by and watch my close friend ruin her life

30 replies

Thedoctorswife1 · 02/07/2024 13:19

short version: do I stand by and be the supportive sounding board to my friend or give her “tough love” and tell her she is behaving recklessly?

full story:
Very close friend recently got involved with a guy who is trouble. Within a month of meeting they’d moved in together, a few weeks later they were engaged. She is from a conservative south asian family- he is not- she put everything on the line by telling her family about him and faced a huge amount of criticism for the relationship. She took on her family and insisted that they accept him or she would turn her back on them. Her mother recently introduced him as her future son in law at a family wedding.

he has massively love bombed her, especially at the start of the relationship and she has come from a background where she has had to support her family financially and money was always tight.

a month ago, 6 months into their relationship, they get a knock on the door from his ex girlfriend who claims she is pregnant. It transpires that for 3 months of their engagement he was regularly sleeping with her and paying half her rent.
my friend forgave him and offered to support him emotionally through the harassment he was receiving from this ex. They have doubts over whether this is a real or fabricated pregnancy. Then, certain things start to come out about him that he’d previously lied about: he has a criminal record for a sexual offence (he claims it was another ex’s word against his and he had to accept responsibility); he has withheld this information from work as he works with children; through all of this my friend has comforted him, supported him and even sought to protect him from the ex. A few weeks ago he told her that he kissed the ex because she “jumped on him and started feeling him up publicly” He has a habit of lying and then a few days later saying he “wants to be honest” and coming clean.my friend even went as far as saying that she would support him to coparent the baby. He said he was going to speak to ex and tell her to back off and that he was sticking with his fiancé (my friend) and any communication had to solely be about the baby. Then he had a conference to attend in a different city. He claimed that she followed him and accosted him at the barriers at the station.

yesterday he told my friend that he actually took the ex with him to the conference and they slept together. My friend was upset and angry and initially tried to kick him out. She says he refused to leave (rent is 50/50). She then left and went to a hotel but came back an hour later.
now it appears that she still wants to stick by her. Up until now I have supported her by trying to be a kind listening ear while telling her that his behaviour is out of order and he is not a good presence in her life.

can I do or say anymore? I feel if I’m too critical of how she is responding she will shut down and withdraw completely- she’s already tried to isolate herself from her friends. She’s an adult and is free to do as she pleases but equally I feel she is very vulnerable and he is extremely manipulative. I have serious doubts about his account about the sexual offence and worry she is not being fully honest about his behaviour towards her (she’s lied for him a lot recently because she says she feels ashamed).

OP posts:
catsnore · 02/07/2024 13:51

I'd message her along the lines of:

everything you have been telling me about X is making me nervous and I am worried for you. I am here for you but I cannot support his behaviour and you deserve better. I am here for you whatever happens.

SiobhanSharpe · 02/07/2024 13:54

Can she do a Claire's law request to get full details of any (and all) sexual offence ?

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 02/07/2024 13:55

He wouldn’t be able to work with children and withhold a criminal records.

You need an enhanced DBS which shows everything.

So someone somewhere isn’t being honest. Which would make me question the rest of the tale.

SiobhanSharpe · 02/07/2024 13:55

And of course any other domestic abuse chases.

Mouswife · 02/07/2024 13:55

As pp said. I would stop trying to be the voice of reason - she knows he is a nut she just can’t back away from it and on some level it’s probably a slight addiction to the drama. Reality is she will lose everything with a man like this, but you can only be there to pick her up after. I would be brutally honest with her and say this, if she asks why you are saying this to her tell her “I’m being honest with you, because he keeps lying and you are lying to yourself”

cupcaske123 · 02/07/2024 13:58

She's an adult OP and often in cases like these, especially where family is involved, criticism makes them double down.

She's obviously got rose tinted spectacles and I doubt she'll listen to you. It may make her isolate herself more. I would let her make her own mistakes.

Thedoctorswife1 · 02/07/2024 14:00

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 02/07/2024 13:55

He wouldn’t be able to work with children and withhold a criminal records.

You need an enhanced DBS which shows everything.

So someone somewhere isn’t being honest. Which would make me question the rest of the tale.

You can in the unregulated industry of private tuition… you don’t have to have a DBS

OP posts:
Thedoctorswife1 · 02/07/2024 14:01

SiobhanSharpe · 02/07/2024 13:54

Can she do a Claire's law request to get full details of any (and all) sexual offence ?

Yes this has crossed my mind.

OP posts:
mindutopia · 02/07/2024 14:01

I would do 2 things: (a) I would submit a Claire’s Law request on her behalf. They won’t disclose anything to you, but the police will meet with her to discuss any concerns about him, and they’ll do it anonymously. (b) I would sit her down and have a really honest face to face conversation about how worried about her you are. Don’t focus on him, focus on your concerns about her.

Apileofballyhoo · 02/07/2024 14:03

Encourage her to not rush into pregnancy. In the nicest possible way so as not to alienate her.

pontipinemum · 02/07/2024 14:19

Sounds like a mess! I would want to be 'tough love' with her but I get that you're afraid she will just cut you out completely. She has to know this is all mad and that he is lying.

Are you close to any of her family? Could you talk to them?

flyingclementine · 02/07/2024 14:20

You’ve written about this before, I’m sure I’ve read the exact same somewhere?

SlightlygrumpyBettyswaitress · 02/07/2024 14:30

She needs to find a way out whilst saving face.
A colleague of mine was of similar background. She argued long and hard for her "love match" who turned out to be an abusive arse. She put up with it because she couldn't bear her family being right.

EllenLRipley · 02/07/2024 14:38

She's given up so much to be with him that it is humiliating to leave. Sunken loss fallacy. Give her a get out if possible.

Oakskn · 02/07/2024 14:40

You could message her and tell her directly that she’s ruining her life. I know it’s the nuclear option and it may cost the friendship - but it might be the only way to shake her out of it.

Recuperation7 · 02/07/2024 14:43

I think you are allowed to gently and clearly express your disquiet to your friend but say you're doing so out of concern and love for her and she is free to make her own decisions. Say you want the best for her and you are not sure that this man is offering her that?

Beautiful3 · 02/07/2024 14:52

You're friend needs to wise up and kick him out. She is a grown woman who knows what he's doing. There is nothing you can do to help her. She is doing it all to herself.

Thedoctorswife1 · 02/07/2024 15:01

flyingclementine · 02/07/2024 14:20

You’ve written about this before, I’m sure I’ve read the exact same somewhere?

No I haven’t.

OP posts:
Thedoctorswife1 · 02/07/2024 21:15

An update for whoever’s interested: I did the tough love thing - she says she’s going to think about everything and process it all but she feels empowered and confident that her and her fiance can get through this (this presumably being his pathological lying). She has made so many excuses for him including blaming herself. This is very sad to watch and is making me angry.

OP posts:
Thepeopleversuswork · 02/07/2024 21:43

I couldn’t stand by and indulge this much self delusion. You have warned her, she is still lying to herself. There’s nothing much more you can do.

I would withdraw from her and send her a note saying you are not prepared to be a dumb spectator in a long orgy of self destruction but that you love her and will always be there for her when she comes to her senses.

Apileofballyhoo · 02/07/2024 22:48

Sorry to hear that, OP.

Nazzywish · 02/07/2024 23:54

You mentioned he works with kids? Casually find out where he works, then report him. You've nothing to lose here because she will not tell her partner she's told you this sensitive info but u need to do something about that before a kid is potentially out at risk or is already at risk.

Re friend. Tell her as it is then support her. If she cuts u off so be it but say your there for her and don't stop trying she'll wake up but it has to be her that sees it.

the2andahalfmillion · 03/07/2024 00:03

The OP is correct, private tutors (music? Academic?) often do not have or need DBS clearance.

this fella sounds really dangerous. I hope your nuclear option works.

sometimes people need to hear the unvarnished truth. He sounds like a complete head case and probably dangerous. Claire’s law application sounds like a good move although many offenders will come out of it squeaky clean, because they’ve just avoided the long arm of the law so far :(

Aavalon57 · 03/07/2024 00:51

OP, please do a Clare’s Law application asap! She won’t know it’s from you and if there is anything flagged up, the police will contact her. It might make her think. Is the fiancé also South Asian? Has her family/community disowned her?

Beautiful3 · 03/07/2024 07:01

There's nothing you can do I'm afraid. She is an adult and will do what she wants, even if it's the wrong thing. I'd step back and remove myself from the whole thing. Perhaps if she can't complain about him, you won't get stressed.

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