To think that complacency will bring us down?

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There seems to be an assumption that Labour are going to sail into Numbers 10 and 11 (sadly not No. 9!) on Thursday as if by magic.
Brexit happened because most people thought it was a bonkers idea that no-one could posdibly countenance except for a few 'little-englanders', and therefore no point in voting remain.
We are being told that the Tories are over, but I am deeply sceptical; complacency gets us into so much shite...
So please do vote, even if you are voting tory, or whatever. Please don't be complacent!

I agree. It makes me pretty angry when people complain about politics/state of the country but don't bother to vote!

They will be funding stonewall to discover how we can better support the transitioning of children.

They intend to privatise the railways (Throwing more good money after bad)

They intend to magic up some maths teachers, whilst overburdening the state education sector with thousands of unfunded private school kids.

That is all I can see, so far. Labour have largely accepted they won't be able to invest any more in the NHS for instance or social care. They have been very open about that.

As does the Tory track record of lining their pockets at public expense, blatant cronyism and corruption.

It seems pretty clear to me that Labour will win by a landslide. I believe all governments have a shelf life and the Tories have probably held on for a term too many and seriously damaged themselves in the process. People have very short memories though and seem to forget how angry the general public was with Labour at the end of Brown's term. These things are cyclical as all parties end up doing unpopular things eventually.

I will be voting Tory as I am against the VAT increase on Private Schools and I think their plan to get us out of this mess is simply to tax more as opposed to genuinely growing the economy.

Labour have pledged not to increase the main taxes. Big mistake. You have a massive landslide. Nows the time to be bold and say that the country’s in a mess and we need to raise taxes up sort it out. No one wants tax cuts. They want to be told the truth about the dire state the county is in.

You have savings? Good for you. You are in a better place to absorb tax rises than most. Labour haven’t said a thing about tax on savings. The Tories are just speculating in order to scare you into voting for them. Don’t be so gullible!

And yes, governing with dignity is massively important after the appalling leaders we have had recently. Rishi is streets ahead of Boris and Liz Truss in this regard, but still, they wear the same rosette.

You would say that as someone that doesn't contribute. To take money that is not yours, no doubt is appealing to some that feel entitled to take other people's money that they have not earn't themselves. It is morally corrupt though, of course it is, and I do not support it at all.

There is NOTHING dignified about Angela and Keir!! 😂

My dad used to say 'If you don't vote, don't moan"

I was just having the same thought reading the other thread about people’s plans for Election night and the prevailing view that it will be history in the making - I do hope it is but there is the element of worry that as you say, people will be complacent and not vote!

Excuse me, our household income is over £250k a year and we live in Scotland fgs. We pay taxes! Endless taxes! But have you SEEN the state of public services! We pay much les tax than they do in the rest of Europe. Do you care whether an ambulance turns up if a loved one has a heart attack? No? Carry on voting Tory then.

Wtf?

I didn't read that as the OP being derogatory as such, just stating the attitude of some (many?) remainers at that time.

Porouging Parliament? Lying to the Queen? Lying about covid parties? Crashing the markets so your mates can cash in? Do you remember any of these shameful times? I can’t see Labour being in any way as shameful d these truly embarrassing acts.

You do know that Labour have already said they can't invest in the public services like the NHS. It is like you haven't listened to a word Labour have actually said.

There. Is. Not. The. Money. To. Invest. In. Public. Services.

Things are going to remain exactly as they are. As Labour have been at pains to say all along. Honestly. This is getting tiring now.

I think in a lot of areas Conservative voters are going to stay home in their droves.

This happened in my constituency a few months ago when a by-election turned over an 18,540 Conservative majority in favour of a 6000+ majority to the Labour candidate.

The electorate looked at the odious sitting member's sock puppet and all the traditional tory voters stayed home.

Yeh I agree they have said that. But I want better public services, as does the rest of the UK. Go on the IFS website to see what they think if the various parties manifestos. They are suitably scathing about all parties.

What the IFS thinks is that Labour will get in, and in the first budget will say ‘oh my goodness the economic situation is far worse than we expected’ and use that as an excuse to either go against their promise not to raise the big 3 taxes, or to raise everything and anything else they can. So yes, I think Labour will have no money but I think (and hope) they’ll go against their manifesto and raise taxes everywhere to fund their investment in public services.

unlike the person whingeing about ‘oh but my savings’ I think this is a good thing.

So you are counting on Labour to 'go against' their manifesto to raise taxes absolutely everywhere to improve 'public services' which could mean anything basically?

Are you nuts?

They are NOT going to do this. Why? Because it would frighten the living daylights out of the markets, we would see MASS capital flight and people leaving en masse. As it is, many are already considering moving to more tax efficient economies. You would then perversely end up with LESS tax and less money for public services.

I despair at the lack of knowledge and education.
How can you possibly think this will work and vote based on an idealistic pipe dream. It is for the actual birds, and even they are laughing.😑

there is not going to be headway at all.

Sorry, you're in your own la-la-land there. Any new government will mean change – for better or worse, change is inevitable. Even new PMs within the Tories marked areas of either stark or slower change.

Yes, moral compass and decency informs part of my vote. The transgender issue is a niche one with today's current issues in my view.

I’m not crazy. 1p on the basic rate of tax would raise billions. Would that induce capital flight? Moving CGT rates slightly towards income tax rates - would that induce capital flight? Correcting the carried interest rules on private equity businesses - worth half a billion a year. Currently if I die my kids would get my entire pension pot without it counting toward my estate for IHT purposes. Is that right? These are the things Labour have to start liking at to raise tax to invest. Of course they won’t induce capital flight.

The biggest cause of capital flight currently is not tax but planning regulation. NIMBYs preventing the construction of offices / labs etc us causing the likes of Eli Lilly to build their centres elsewhere. Let’s hope Labour addresses these issues.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ngq10grgzo.amp

You can't be a women if you consider your own rights and identity as 'niche'.

Well ... last time I checked. Or is sex now based on what political party you vote for?

Well, you kind of want to vote for a party that recognises you exist at all!!! 😂

How can they deliver for women if they don't recognise who we even are!

(clue: we do not have hairy balls!)

It's not my priority that they deliver for women on this issue at this particular time. Safe maternity wards, expanded and affordable childcare, more effective wraparound childcare, closing the gender pay gap and enhancing equal pay protections, strengthening menopause discrimination and sexual harassment policy, and enacting socio-economic duty ... these are the the issues effective almost all women on a day to day basis that are plainly addressed in Labour's manifesto.