AIBU my partner can’t verify my dad’s identity?

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My parents want my Dr partner to verify my dad’s identity so he can close a bank account for a deceased family member.

I don’t live with my parents, but my partner and I have a child and a mortgage together. So surely that makes him “related” to my dad?

AIBU to say this goes against the rules of not being either related/living at same address/in a relationship?

He isn’t related to your dad though is he

I assumed in this case it was to do with the children, she is mother to my nieces which makes us related? I don't really know but that's the advice the passport office gave

They are not related as you are not married. When my DP died, having lived together for many years and having 4 children together, I was told that he needed to be recorded as a bachelor/single and that I was no relation to him. My partner’s sister can sign for me now as, in the eyes of the law, we are not related. You have to be related by blood or marriage. However, if your DP is not comfortable with it then ask them to find someone else.

Having a child doesn’t make them related. Being married makes them related.

Your partner will never be related to your parents unless you marry him.

It doesn't work like that

He is not related by blood or legally

No he isn’t.

What's the point in arguing about it when you coikd simply find out the rules of whatever it is that needs to be signed?

These tings tend not to be based on what someone thinks the answer should be

He’s not related and is fine to sign.

No, it's not to do with the children but that you are a related to your brother and your brother is her partner.

You cannot countersign if you are related to either the person getting a passport or their partner. You are related to her partner (your brother). If you have any other family members who have an unmarried partner then that unmarried partner could countersign. For example, if you have a boyfriend then he could sign.

So, although you can't countersign for her, she could countersign your application if needed (as long as you're not in a relationship with her brother) until such time as they get married and you become related through marriage.

It's the same in the OP's case. Her unmarried partner can countersign her dad's application because he is not related to him or the OP's mother (presuming they are married).

But her dad could not countersign her partner's (the Dr) application because he is related to his daughter and his daughter is the partner of the Dr.

Does that make sense?

He isn't legally related to your dad just because you birthed his child

If your parents are happy for him to sign, and he is happy to do so... why are you sticking your oar in and making it difficult?

trying to be helpful with the best of intentions ……….An outside chance but It could end up in front of the GMC if this turns out to be one of the random reviews undertaken ( it does happen - a Dr colleague of my SIL, hugely stressful ) . Easier all round if your DD asks his own GP ?

Not only is your partner not related to your father, your partner is not related to you, either. Your child is related to him, however, by blood.

Legally, relatives can only be created by blood, marriage or adoption.

Your partner is not related to your dad. He is not related to you either.

This ⬆️. Pls see my earlier post. I was extremely upset to be told that my partner of over 16 years, father to my children, was single and no relative of mine in the eyes of the law following his death 😢.

I'd trust that your DP knew what he can and can't sign and it's his job on the line

Yes its very upsetting. I'm sorry for your loss. I do think this needs to be taught as part of PSHE lessons at school if they still exist as its such a key legal point.

Thank you. Yes, so many misconceptions on this issue. If you are not married you are at such a disadvantage and it continues years later, even affecting the liability for IHT for my kids when something happens to me. I wish I’d been more aware, we def would have married had I known what I know now. Sorry to derail this thread.

I had the verification declined for my passport when my brothers long term girlfriend who was in an appropriate profession signed for me. Maybe the OP is right - they aren't officially related but might be considered too close to pass inspection?

If you’re not married, there is no legal relationship with anyone. He can sign.

In that case, it appears to have been a mistake. Your brother's GF can countersign your application, but you cannot countersign her application.

This is from the official HM Passport Office guidance for their staff:

3.5 Referee: related to the customer

The person confirming identity must declare their relationship to the customer, and some may tell us they are related to the customer.

You must always call the referee, before you reject them, if it is unclear if they are related to the customer.

Friends, family friends or a relative’s friend or partner (for example, cousin’s partner) can be accepted. If the person has described their relationship as ‘godparent’, for example, you can accept them if they are not related (a close family member).

You must not accept a referee if they are related to the customer, for example by birth, marriage or civil partnership, divorce, or adoption. You must reject them if they are:

1. a relative or member of their close family (for example, siblings, in laws, cousins, step-parents)
2. a relative of their partners family (for example, siblings, cousins, step-parents)
3. in a relationship or partnership similar to marriage (for example partners, whether or not they live together)

Source:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/confirming-identity-countersignatory-and-digital-referees/confirming-id-referees

In this case she would be a "relative’s friend or partner (for example, cousin’s partner) can be accepted." in particular here, brother's partner.

Perhaps they mixed things up? She can countersign your application because it is ok if you are a relative of her unmarried partner. However, you cannot countersign her application because you are related to her partner (your brother).

But they are not related

@Another2Cats actually the problem is I wrote that comment with a cracking migraine. I did end up having to get another referee but it was because of a mistake I made in the application, nothing anyone else did! Whoops, sorry.

Lots of good and relevant info for the OP though thank you!

This posters husband wasn’t allowed to verify their son’s girlfriend’s identity. Because they (the son and his girlfriend) have a baby together and she is the mother of the DH’s grandchild.

it’s the closeness of the relationship that would preclude someone from signing / verifying an identity.