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Father-in-law in annexe

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Thedaughterinlaw · 23/06/2024 20:31

My father-in-law is a very fit and healthy 76-year-old. After his wife left him, he called us and asked to move into our annexe, saying he couldn't live on his own and couldn't cope. Both his marriages ended with his wives leaving him for other men, and they've always done everything for him.

My own dad had lived in our annexe and had recently passed away, so we wanted some time alone as a family. Also as I’m
away from my family and friends the annexe was somewhere they could stay when they visited. I live in my husband’s hometown, so all his family and friends are near.

My dad was considerate, picked up on social cues, and my husband rarely saw him. Nevertheless, we agreed to let my father-in-law move in, thinking it would be fine since he was always out biking, walking, and staying active.

However, it turned out to be a problem. He disregarded boundaries, walking in without knocking, banging on the door when it was locked, and sitting down for meals uninvited. He even joined our weekly swimming slot uninvited and would sit with us when my friend came over. There are many more examples I won’t bore you with.

We tried to discuss these issues with him, but he responded poorly, looking out the window and then walking off in a huff. While things improved slightly, he still often intruded, knocking and coming straight in, unlike us who wait for his permission before entering his space. If I went to the adjoining utility room, he would seem to listen out and pounce for a chat. I've locked the adjoining door to keep him out, but he just walks around and comes in through our front door.

Last summer, he spent nearly every day in the garden, from 10 to 5, leaving us no private time there. I tried to study outside, but he would sing with his headphones on or try to chat. My husband refused to address the issue, saying he couldn't tell him to leave the garden. Things seemed better in the winter when the garden wasn’t an issue.

Now, with summer back, he’s out in the garden within minutes of me trying to relax. Last Thursday, I lost my temper when he came out just as I had settled with some revision. I went inside, shouted and swore in frustration, and screamed into a pillow to release my anger. He obviously heard.

Today, my husband told him things need to change, mentioning the garden. My father-in-law denied always being out there and said we just need to tell him if we want to be alone. He later approached me, saying he knows we need private time and that he isn’t an idiot. I only need to tell him. He then commented on my mood, for storming out for the garden, attributing it to menopause and that he’s making allowances for me because of that?!

After that conversation, I want him to leave. My husband is reluctant but said he would ask him to leave as a last resort. I used to like my father-in-law, but now I resent him and can't stand having him around. He knows how to push my buttons, and it's driving me crazy. People warned us it would affect our marriage and it is. He hasn’t got enough money to buy his own place now (he would need around £350k and he has 150k) and wouldn’t get a mortgage at 76. I feel trapped. AIBU? Thanks

OP posts:
keylimedog · 23/06/2024 20:44

I mean YANBU in my eyes! It seems like a super tough situation.

Tell him you've been making allowances for his age and mental state - the cheek of him saying he's been making allowances for you - he's living with you by your good graces!

I think if your FIL has given you the bashful old "oh you just need to say" run around, then in your shoes I would start to "say" every single time! I'd lock the internal door and front door, ask him to leave when he just sits down at mealtimes, tell him you're planning a garden day for yourself on Friday and does he mind terribly making himself scarce etc. Your husband also needs to be on the same page too.

Your FIL not having enough money to buy somewhere isn't your problem, especially if it's impacting your marriage.

Chazzacoco · 23/06/2024 20:49

Could he rent a flat in a place for over 60s ? . More people his age, possibly more company.

Bumblebeeinatree · 23/06/2024 20:50

Can you fence off a bit of garden for him? Forcing him to stay indoors in the summer seems a bit mean. Did he expect to be part of the family, but you expected him to live totally separately? I think some discussions and compromises are needed.

SOxon · 23/06/2024 20:52

76 is no age, fit active healthy. There are places for older people to rent up and down the country, Girlings Homes is one, other posters will have more examples. Where we live there are many new, modern apartments for over 60’s, with gardens, he would have plenty of similar age company which is what he wants/needs.

When mum died my father did the limp ‘I cant cope’ pitiful act, my soft sister accommodated him in her admittedly large house.
He had his own large bedroom/bathroom on a separate floor with a sitting room too.
But! He was like a puppy following her around, (made clumsy passes at her friends, shriek, asked one to go on holiday with him!) he was 72 my sister and her friends in their forties.
When she went out he expected to go with her, when her bf or friends were with
her he sat in, making inappropriate comments.
She made him pay for a cleaner as he did nothing domestic.
There was so much extra work, cooking for him as he was useless.
He also attempted to take over the garden but she had a weekly gardener.
Dad only seemed to be in the garden when she was out there herself and
or with friends.
Anyway, she was soon regretting her kindness. I’m telling you all this
so you know this is not an uncommon situation and can be rectified.

He fixed himself up with a rich floozie from the U3A and moved in with her.
You could try this?

ohfourfoxache · 23/06/2024 20:53

Could he buy a small retirement property?

Whothefuckdoesthat · 23/06/2024 21:01

He later approached me, saying he knows we need private time and that he isn’t an idiot. I only need to tell him. He then commented on my mood, for storming out for the garden, attributing it to menopause and that he’s making allowances for me because of that?! Lovely. So you sit him down, with your DH, and tell him that you’re grateful that he has recognised that you need private time but, actually, you don’t need to tell him. If you haven’t invited him to join you when your friends turn up, if you haven’t asked him to join your swimming sessions, if you haven’t invited him to join you in the garden, if you haven’t invited him for dinner, then he can safely assume that it is because you want private time. And then you smile, politely, and tell him that if he ever attributes your reaction to his behaviour as menopause again, then you will assume he has dementia and inform social services that they need to find him a place in sheltered accommodation.

He hasn’t got enough money to buy his own place now (he would need around £350k and he has 150k) and wouldn’t get a mortgage at 76. I feel trapped. AIBU? Thanks What about renting, if he doesn’t want to move to a cheaper area? Or a mobile home? They’re all over the country and not just in touristy areas. You could probably cope with him for the three months a year they need to leave the parc for.

Beautifulbythebay · 23/06/2024 21:05

Tell dh either fil goes.. Or you do.

bluebeck · 23/06/2024 21:06

How is he just waltzing in through your front door? Are the keys/locks the same as for his annexe?

This would drive me nuts. YANBU.

He can rent.

Hedgerow2 · 23/06/2024 21:11

76 is far too young for him to be living with family (unless it's something everyone wants). Could you ask him to leave on the basis that he can come back when he's older and genuinely unable to cope on his own (another 10 years perhaps)? His £150k could be used for rent.

Or on Rightmove you sometimes see property greatly reduced for over 60s.

SOxon · 23/06/2024 21:15

OP I neglected to say, Dad moved from our immaculate family home,
enormous garden, lovely neighbours, good friends, familiarity, to my
sister’s house 200 miles away where the only people he ‘knew’ were
her friends.
Is this a similar situation with you?
My sister made him join a walking group, which he enjoyed, mah jong,
debating society (at which he excelled apparently lol) he did crosswords
and that other thing daily, she had to keep him occupied.
but then, FiL is a different dynamic
I realise this.
However this is a failed endeavour and he needs to be grown up now
and find his own place. He may even be relieved. He doesn’t need to
buy at his age which is well catered for in rentals, some really luxurious.
Good luck

Acornsoup · 23/06/2024 21:34

Absolutely no way OP. You are already being put in your place Flowers

gardenmusic · 23/06/2024 21:35

Are you in the UK, OP?
He needs to go, but advice depends on where you are.

Kovus · 23/06/2024 21:45

He hasn’t got enough money to buy his own place now

Has he given you some of his money from the sale of his previous home? If so, he may claim under the principle of proprietary estoppel. (England, not sure about Wales or NI. Scotland I don't think it applies). You and DH need to be united on how you deal with this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_estoppel

Proprietary estoppel - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_estoppel

JWhipple · 23/06/2024 21:57

He has £150k. He can surely buy somewhere? It might not be as nice as, well. Somebody else's house where he gets to do what the hell he likes and pay nothing, but beggers can't be choosers.

Gosh. I can't imagine why two women left him. It's an absolute mystery.

Thedaughterinlaw · 24/06/2024 08:54

Bumblebeeinatree · 23/06/2024 20:50

Can you fence off a bit of garden for him? Forcing him to stay indoors in the summer seems a bit mean. Did he expect to be part of the family, but you expected him to live totally separately? I think some discussions and compromises are needed.

Thanks for reply. Oh no we wouldn’t make him stay indoors. It’s just he doesn’t have any thought for other people. He is in our garden most days for around 6-7 hours. He never thinks to give us some time alone, even one hour. Doesn’t pick up on social cues at all, no manners.

OP posts:
Thedaughterinlaw · 24/06/2024 08:58

Kovus · 23/06/2024 21:45

He hasn’t got enough money to buy his own place now

Has he given you some of his money from the sale of his previous home? If so, he may claim under the principle of proprietary estoppel. (England, not sure about Wales or NI. Scotland I don't think it applies). You and DH need to be united on how you deal with this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_estoppel

No he didn’t. He did pay for a garden room to be built, as his annexe was my husbands office, he works from
home. So my husband had to move to the garden room. If we ask him to move out we would give him the money back.

OP posts:
Purpleday1 · 24/06/2024 09:40

OP, two women left him, he's a selfish prick.
You knew it, and still you allowed it to happen.
Your husband is his father's son.
Selfish.
In your place I would do NOTHING for your husband. Move into the spare bedroom.
Tell him if HE is happy to have your marriage destroyed by his father, crack on.
You are a mug and are being treated like one.
Neither your awful FIL nor your husband has an ounce of respect for you.

I would stop all engagement with your FIL, he's a rude misogynistic twat, whatever age he is.

We are treated as poorly as we tolerate.
Men like your father are twats their whole lives because dominant tolerate it.
At my age now, I have zero tolerance for it.
This is on your husband to sort out.
Get him out.
Stop tolerate being walked all over.

Chazzacoco · 24/06/2024 15:44

Purpleday1 · 24/06/2024 09:40

OP, two women left him, he's a selfish prick.
You knew it, and still you allowed it to happen.
Your husband is his father's son.
Selfish.
In your place I would do NOTHING for your husband. Move into the spare bedroom.
Tell him if HE is happy to have your marriage destroyed by his father, crack on.
You are a mug and are being treated like one.
Neither your awful FIL nor your husband has an ounce of respect for you.

I would stop all engagement with your FIL, he's a rude misogynistic twat, whatever age he is.

We are treated as poorly as we tolerate.
Men like your father are twats their whole lives because dominant tolerate it.
At my age now, I have zero tolerance for it.
This is on your husband to sort out.
Get him out.
Stop tolerate being walked all over.

Les conseillers ne sont pas les payeurs as they say in French. ‘Those that advise aren’t the ones that pay’ . Quite apt here imo. Why would OP do this when there are more peaceful solutions possIble?

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