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Sports day shock

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Mrslarge24 · 21/06/2024 20:31

My children have recently had their sports days.
I have one very sporty child, and one that gets very anxious about anything sport-related and dreads sports day! Much like myself as a kid.
One sports day was for y3&y4, the other was for Y5 & y6.
I was amazed at the lack of general fitness in so many of the kids.
They had to do a "long-distance run" which was about 200m. A huge amount of them couldn't run it all and some didn't even make it half way before walking and panting.
My non-sporty one managed it fine, because although he doesn't enjoy much sport we do go for long walks, he plays in the garden alot and loves swimming with us so has a basic fitness level. Much like myself, I'm no fitness fanatic!
AIBU to think this is shocking to see children of this age not be able to run/jog 200m?!
i guess it's computers/iPads etc but at what point does a parent start to feel ashamed to have let their children get so unfit?!
Made me feel quite sad 😢

OP posts:
wibblywobblywoo · 22/06/2024 13:18

allmyown · 21/06/2024 21:09

800m is not a sprint though, and requires much less power from your body

OP has clarified several times now that the 200m was NOT a ' sprint' - their sprint distance was 40m, the 200m was classed as a 'long run' and many walked at least half of it.

allmyown · 22/06/2024 13:18

Beautiful3 · 22/06/2024 08:36

I recently attended a primary school sports day. I was very suprised to see half the year 5 & 6 children were obese. I felt very concerned for them all. They will only continue to grow, if their diet and exercise is not modified now. My child did tell me about some class mates, who became severely overweight when they returned from lock down. I thought she was exaggerating until I saw them with my own eyes. Obviously they've continued to put more weight on since then. Why aren't their parents doing anything about it? If mine get slightly chubby, I tell them to go play football, go on the trampoline and I stop buying treats for a few weeks.

do you cut out margarine, vegetable oil, processed food, sugar etc?

You are oversimplifying if you think going on a trampoline is having any effect on obesity - it isn't

FuckTheClubUp · 22/06/2024 13:28

I mean judge the parents all you want but it won’t do shit

justasking111 · 22/06/2024 13:30

allmyown · 22/06/2024 13:18

do you cut out margarine, vegetable oil, processed food, sugar etc?

You are oversimplifying if you think going on a trampoline is having any effect on obesity - it isn't

Telling them to go on the trampoline etc isn't really dealing with the mindset of children who learn from their parents. It involves taking them to swimming, football, rugby clubs etc. putting on a coat in bad weather and tramping through the woods, on the beach with them.

Chucking them out the back door doesn't help at all. @Beautiful3

allmyown · 22/06/2024 13:35

justasking111 · 22/06/2024 13:30

Telling them to go on the trampoline etc isn't really dealing with the mindset of children who learn from their parents. It involves taking them to swimming, football, rugby clubs etc. putting on a coat in bad weather and tramping through the woods, on the beach with them.

Chucking them out the back door doesn't help at all. @Beautiful3

Edited

none of that will prevent obesity though. it will make them fitter and healthier, sure.

fieldsofbutterflies · 22/06/2024 13:38

NerrSnerr · 22/06/2024 13:09

@fieldsofbutterflies no one is talking about people being good or not at running, they're talking about young children not being able to finish a 200m without walking or panting.

All primary school age children who don't have an illness or disability should be able to run 200m without stopping, whether that's super fast or slow.

Why, though? Why is running 200m a better marker of someone's fitness than say, swimming, or riding a bike, or cantering a horse?

Running isn't something that comes naturally to everyone. Why do we accept that children can struggle to read, or do sums, but we can't accept that they may struggle to run?

There are so many ways to get fit and active that have nothing to do with running. Being able to run 200m is absolutely meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

NerrSnerr · 22/06/2024 13:42

@fieldsofbutterflies school are not realistically going to have people swimming, riding a bike or cantering a horse in sports day. The OP clearly stated that many of these kids were overweight and clearly struggling for fitness so it's likely they wouldn't be able to do the things mentioned well.

No one is saying on this thread that the kids need to be the next Usain Bolt, just be able to jog a short distance.

bluecomputerscreen · 22/06/2024 13:44

Why, though? Why is running 200m a better marker of someone's fitness than say, swimming, or riding a bike, or cantering a horse?

because running is something that humans inately do, especially children.
we are built for it. unless you actively hinder a child from moving their legs every child, bar disabilities, should be able to run 200m. not necessarily fast. we are not talking 2k. 200m is from one end of the playground to the other.

yes, some people might not have the patience be able to run long distance, but moving swiftly or running 200m (the length of a train platform for example) is not a lot to ask.

fieldsofbutterflies · 22/06/2024 13:48

NerrSnerr · 22/06/2024 13:42

@fieldsofbutterflies school are not realistically going to have people swimming, riding a bike or cantering a horse in sports day. The OP clearly stated that many of these kids were overweight and clearly struggling for fitness so it's likely they wouldn't be able to do the things mentioned well.

No one is saying on this thread that the kids need to be the next Usain Bolt, just be able to jog a short distance.

But even if these overweight, unfit children could all run 200m without struggling, it wouldn't stop them from being overweight or unfit. That's my point.

fieldsofbutterflies · 22/06/2024 13:50

bluecomputerscreen · 22/06/2024 13:44

Why, though? Why is running 200m a better marker of someone's fitness than say, swimming, or riding a bike, or cantering a horse?

because running is something that humans inately do, especially children.
we are built for it. unless you actively hinder a child from moving their legs every child, bar disabilities, should be able to run 200m. not necessarily fast. we are not talking 2k. 200m is from one end of the playground to the other.

yes, some people might not have the patience be able to run long distance, but moving swiftly or running 200m (the length of a train platform for example) is not a lot to ask.

Again, my point is that even if they could run 200m without an issue, it wouldn't necessarily stop them from being overweight or unfit.

I know plenty of overweight adults who can run. I also know plenty of slim, fit people who would struggle to do a lap of a running track.

Running is just one of hundreds of ways to keep fit. Your ability to run (or not) is just one of so many ways to measure your overall health and fitness.

MerryMaidens · 22/06/2024 13:57

Surely the being unable to judge a 200m run is a symptom of not doing it very often? If the kids did it more often they would have a rudimentary understanding of how to pace. My enormously dyspraxic primary age dc1 knows they run loads slower for junior parkrun than they do for a sports day sprint. I never did any formal athletics, apart from at school, which involved zero skills coaching but could still put on a decent show because I can see that the whole way round the track is a lot further than one side of it...

And I know it's not schools problem to solve but the state of PE in most primary schools is bloody awful. My kids get an hour a week and it seems to consist of a) getting changed and b) yoga stretches.

And a massive shame for the children who are less academic but might get a couple of hours a week to shine.

shockeditellyou · 22/06/2024 13:58

an overweight kid who can run 200 m is fitter than an overweight kid that can’t!

Foxlover46 · 22/06/2024 13:58

Not sure I agree with this.
I hate running I did couch to 5k and could still run that 3 times a week , I choose not to as I don't enjoy it at all.
I do walk my dogs three times a day , walk to and from my horses field twice a day , ride at least 5 times a week , bike a couple of times to the field , I easily do 25-30k steps daily so I also know that my daughter is active as she is riding daily , doing at least one walk and back to her field , walks the dogs with me at least twice .. she occasionally joins a friend on their park run but like me prefers to ride , walk , bike , swim, and she trampolines every day too
Not all children will be "unfit " at running but not out and about doing other things

fieldsofbutterflies · 22/06/2024 14:00

shockeditellyou · 22/06/2024 13:58

an overweight kid who can run 200 m is fitter than an overweight kid that can’t!

No, they're just better at running than the other kid.

mollyfolk · 22/06/2024 14:01

People keep on talking about obese kids . Obesity is a problem and lack of fundamental movement skills is a problem and there is absolutely a large intersection but there are lots of skinny unfit kids too.

I think, 30 years ago, our daily life required more movement. Now we have to make a conscious effort to force that movement into our children’s day. You need to do it young, as those fundamental movement skills foundations are built in the under 7’s.

People who shrug their shoulders and say what can do , lazy parents, have an unhelpful attitude.

We have a collective responsibility toward the health of children. From a purely economic point of view it makes sense to tackle the problem on a societal level.

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 22/06/2024 14:35

justasking111 · 22/06/2024 13:30

Telling them to go on the trampoline etc isn't really dealing with the mindset of children who learn from their parents. It involves taking them to swimming, football, rugby clubs etc. putting on a coat in bad weather and tramping through the woods, on the beach with them.

Chucking them out the back door doesn't help at all. @Beautiful3

Edited

I didn't have a garden growing up, let alone a trampoline. Riding lessons and sports club cost money. We had none. We had free swim lessons with school but could not afford to swim outside of that. We did however run around with our mates and walk loads (no bus fare). We raced, played rounders etc football with a can if no ball. Not everyone owned a ball. It doesn't take much. Just an expectation that sitting on your arse/tablet/consol is not acceptable.

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 22/06/2024 14:37

mollyfolk · 22/06/2024 14:01

People keep on talking about obese kids . Obesity is a problem and lack of fundamental movement skills is a problem and there is absolutely a large intersection but there are lots of skinny unfit kids too.

I think, 30 years ago, our daily life required more movement. Now we have to make a conscious effort to force that movement into our children’s day. You need to do it young, as those fundamental movement skills foundations are built in the under 7’s.

People who shrug their shoulders and say what can do , lazy parents, have an unhelpful attitude.

We have a collective responsibility toward the health of children. From a purely economic point of view it makes sense to tackle the problem on a societal level.

That starts with parents.

mollyfolk · 22/06/2024 17:47

@Floatingvoternolandinsight It’s such a cop out. What if the parents go nothing?

It takes a multifaceted approach- the health service, the schools and changing habits at home.

Mrslarge24 · 22/06/2024 18:42

Some posters have tried to turn this in to something it was never intended to be, as usual. But I think we can safely say most are in agreement that 7/8/9/10 yr olds with no other health conditions should not be struggling to make their way steadily through a 200m jog and gasping for breath throughout. It's like they've never had to walk that far in their lives. It's a sad state of affairs, and parents (whether in affluent areas or deprived areas) can and should get their kids out for walks and to play areas for exercise. No excuses! This is not about them being the fastest or best runner at all, just a basic level of cardiovascular fitness as I mentioned.
Their little bodies shouldn't have had chance to be unfit by this age!

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angela1952 · 22/06/2024 18:45

One mum we know has has lost 10 stone, a great achievement, but she's still pretty large. Her children are big too, but I've no idea if it a genetic problem. Being a big child means that PE is exhausting, sometimes embarrassing, and no fun at all.
I don't think sports day is much fun for non-sporty children of relatively normal weight either, what they could all do with is interesting and varied PE lessons during the week.
My GC are fairly athletic but not at all interested in sports day or most of the PE lessons. They do a gym class at the weekend and do quite well but are now being pushed to enter competitions and to perform which they hate.
They introduced a sports class before school one day a week at our last primary, but apparently this just involved running backwards and forwards across the playground so it didn't inspire the children much.

BrutusMcDogface · 22/06/2024 18:48

Doesn’t the national curriculum stipulate PE twice a week anymore?

Grammarnut · 22/06/2024 18:48

GoneFishingToday · 21/06/2024 20:35

That sound horrendous OP! Do your children actually do PE at school, and if so, how much and what do they do, as this really is an appalling situation for our kids to be in? I'm not surprised you were shocked!

PE, like the arts and humanities, dance and music, has been cut back in schools. Apparently nobody needs those subjects - and some are expensive, of course.

BogRollBOGOF · 22/06/2024 20:54

I struggled with running at school, a combination of living in a household of several smokers and never actually being taught how to run were pretty major factors. I was also consistently the smallest in the class so with teachers bellowing encouragement like "you're not even trying" as I maxed and burnedout trying to keep up with children with legs several inches longer.
It was my mobile phone that taught me how to run and that slowing down is the key to not burning out within 30s.
Fortunately I was an active child, active teenager, motivated to sort out deficits like learning to swim and cycle in my late teens and have gone on to be active through adulthood.

Because my PE experience was so shit through the entirity of school, I encouraged activity for my DCs right from the beginning. Just as well as one is dyspraxic and autistic and has the odds stacked against him. The years of junior parkrun have paid off. While he's very average on parkrun's age grading, he is the fastest in his PE class despite being the smallest.

While running isn't the be-all and end-all of sport, if you can't run, it makes most school based sport difficult. If you don't do any sport out of school, that's creating a very negative foundation of sporting experience for life, and that's hard to turn around. I just accepted that "the girls in our family are bad at sport" and it was having to take up a physical recreation for DoE that turned it around... if I could learn to swim 25m, I could learn to ride the bike. If I want to walk up the hills, I have to do more walking- I'll walk instead of catching the bus. With hindsight, my couple hours of dancing per week didn't make me particularly fit as a lot of time was wasted on taking turns and waiting, but it did give strength and co-ordination and made going to aerobics, step and yoga easier in my 20s.

The standard of fitness and health in my youth groups has fallen noticeably in the last 5 years. Children too weak to use climbing walls and assault courses. They're the same children who 2 mins into a normal game are either beetroot red and pouring with sweat, puffing, or are dropping out at the sides of the game. The same children that are slow on walks and struggle to get up from sitting on the floor. In short they do not have a functional level of basic movement and fitness which is an awful foundation for life, and awful for their confidence.

Parents need to give their children opportunities to move. At a young age, play areas, walking, scooting are free/ cheap. In school, making time for things like the daily mile brings many benefits into the classrom. Fit children have an advantage for learning- their effective circulation feeds their brains with feel-good hormones and they can apply their mental energy better. There are ways of actually teaching PE rather than just bellowing to move. But ultimately in the early years, parents are the strongest influence on child activity and health.

Communities develop their own normal. The difference between the DC's primary school where most families can afford private swimming lessons and the schools from less affluent communities that were before/ after school swimming was stark. Both in the proportion of children in the different ability of swimming groups and by body mass. DS1 went from average in his primary school where most boys took football training seriously, to being one of the fastest at his much more diverse secondary- this is a teenager who loves nothing more than festerjng in a gaming chair in a darkened room if he can get away with it- he doesn't not live and breathe sport.

There will always be a small number of children with medical or developmental difficulties and that needs managing sensitively, but the majority of children should be able to run short distances, climb, walk at a functional pace and get up off the floor and there are too many children being failed by their parents and society's set-up.

Prettydress · 22/06/2024 21:04

I was more shocked at the low expectations of my daughter's final primary sports day. She is very sporty, so I almost cried inside for her.

At 11 they were throwing bean bags about 2 meters into hoops, shooting hoops that were about 1 meter away barely above the height of their heads and the longest they had to run was 80 meters.

I remember at that age doing 200m regularly around the athletics pitch, hurdles that were up to my waist and long jump.

CassandraWebb · 22/06/2024 21:27

Prettydress · 22/06/2024 21:04

I was more shocked at the low expectations of my daughter's final primary sports day. She is very sporty, so I almost cried inside for her.

At 11 they were throwing bean bags about 2 meters into hoops, shooting hoops that were about 1 meter away barely above the height of their heads and the longest they had to run was 80 meters.

I remember at that age doing 200m regularly around the athletics pitch, hurdles that were up to my waist and long jump.

Yes I was shocked at what passed for a sports day too.

But I realised early on that for a rounded education with decent sports and arts coaching we had to look to good quality clubs outside of school.

But it's devastating for those that can't afford to do that