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UPF, poverty, obesity.... children’s healthy eating - an impossible challenge?

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PaminaMozart · 19/06/2024 07:08

This is truly frightening: Food Foundation says height of five-year-olds falling, child obesity up by a third and type 2 diabetes by a fifth

The average height of five-year-olds is falling, obesity levels have increased by almost a third and the number of young people being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes has risen by more than a fifth, the report by the Food Foundation said.

Aggressive marketing of cheap ultra-processed food, diets lacking essential nutrition and high levels of poverty and deprivation are driving the “significant decline” in children’s health, researchers found.

Obesity levels among 10 and 11-year-olds in England have increased by 30% since 2006, with one in five children already officially obese by the time they leave primary school, researchers found.
Cases of type 2 diabetes, which is linked to obesity, have risen by 22% among those aged under 25 in England and Wales in the last five years, the study added.

Babies born in the UK today will also enjoy a year less good health than babies born a decade ago, according to the report.
Baroness Anne Jenkin, a Conservative peer, said children’s health had “never been worse” but warned that almost no one was talking about it. “This is a timebomb waiting to explode if action isn’t taken.”
Gordon Brown, the former Labour prime minister, said: “When the height of five-year-olds has been falling since 2013, and we’re learning babies born today will enjoy a year less good health than babies born a decade ago, every mother and father in the land will be concerned and shocked at what is happening to children through lack of nutrition, living through the hungry 2020s in food bank Britain.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/19/uk-children-shorter-fatter-and-sicker-amid-poor-diet-and-poverty-report-finds

UK children shorter, fatter and sicker amid poor diet and poverty, report finds

Food Foundation says height of five-year-olds falling, child obesity up by a third and type 2 diabetes by a fifth

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/19/uk-children-shorter-fatter-and-sicker-amid-poor-diet-and-poverty-report-finds

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Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 08:29

ParentsTrapped · 19/06/2024 19:44

Actually the 70s (when UPFs were introduced) is when obesity levels started to rise exponentially. People were slim
in the 70s because they were born before the age of UPFs, but each generation subsequently has been getting fatter.

Imo it’s not the fact of snacking that is the issue - if people were snacking all
day long on apples and carrots they wouldn’t be obese - but they’re not, they’re eating UPFs, often mistakenly believing they are healthy (eg protein bars).

Yes, people born in the 70s and fed UPFs as DC are the obese adults of today.

shockeditellyou · 20/06/2024 08:41

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 08:29

Yes, people born in the 70s and fed UPFs as DC are the obese adults of today.

They're also moving far less, driving far more, and eating far bigger portions. It's not as simple as laying all the blame at the feet of UPFs.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 08:42

GalacticalFarce · 19/06/2024 22:20

"I don't know the exact make up of 1970's UPF but we would have a packet of angel delight between 4 of us, served with maybe a chocolate biscuit. Eaten as pudding after a home cooked meal of meat & 2 veg. We also only drank water with meals. "

Wasn't it usual to have pudding every day? A small amount like you've described but after dinner daily?

Yes, growing up we had a pudding after dinner every day. I only make a pudding perhaps every few weeks, although sometimes the DC have some yogurt after dinner.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 08:48

DoesItSparkJoyMarie · 19/06/2024 23:07

I was born in 80s and brought up by a single mum who was banging the anti-UPF drum back then. Home-cooked meals every night, taught me to cook and bake from being small. I was grateful that I could budget, meal plan and cook well for myself when I left home at 18 and naturally did the same for my daughter in her early years.

When we left my abusive husband, we were housed in social housing where we have to have to have PAYG energy, just as the prices rocketed. We have single glazing and live in one of the coldest parts of the UK, and for 2 winters I couldn't afford to put the heating on. I cut back on everything - no TV subscriptions, no car, furnished the whole flat off Facebook freebies. I work full time and still, after rent, bills and childcare there was no money left. So to feed and clothe her, I sold 2/3 of my wardrobe, my laptop, tablet and phone. That lasted a couple of months before we were reliant on food banks, community pantry (£3 a week for 12 items, almost all UPF) and £20 a month to play with if we were lucky. We also live in a food desert where the nearest supermarket is 45mins walk one way at adult speed.

Believe me, even with generational cooking skills and all the best will in the world, I could not source the diet I wanted for either of us. I put on 2 stone in the year this happened, through a combination of stress, depression and living on UPF. I felt awful and I knew why. We were both hungry constantly but none of the food seemed to satisfy us.

I got a new job a few months ago, with a big pay increase and flexible hours. I am extremely lucky that I had this opportunity. It means childcare costs have decreased massively, we have the budget to get a weekly Tesco delivery of real food, and I have the time to prepare it and start passing on the skills I was taught. She has fresh fruit in her lunchbox and mainlines the week's supply of blueberries and Greek yoghurt in a day. I've lost just over half the weight I put on while never feeling that disorienting dissatisfaction-hunger.

All this to say, in my experience it's been poverty - both of money and time - and the unavailability of anything but UPF, that have had the most catastrophic effects on my family and on the families I've met in similar circumstances. I'm so, so lucky things are better now but I'll never forget the shame of not being able to feed her, and not being able to feed her properly, when the shame should lie squarely at the doors of the food companies, their shareholders, and the horrorshow governments that allow it.

I'm so happy for you, that you are now able to feed your DD as you would like. What a horrible situation to be in!

LadyKenya · 20/06/2024 08:49

Caterpillarshoes · 20/06/2024 07:26

People feed their kids crappie because it's easier abd they think 8ts what kids like. So few children in the UK are weaned to eat proper foods. They eat beige rubbish because parents think they wouldn't eat lentils, olives, spices

If the parents are not eating that way, why would they be suddenly inclined to feed their children things like olives, and lentils?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 20/06/2024 08:50

shockeditellyou · 20/06/2024 08:41

They're also moving far less, driving far more, and eating far bigger portions. It's not as simple as laying all the blame at the feet of UPFs.

But the bigger portions aspect of that has a lot to do with the UPF marketers who have worked hard to normalise eating large quantities.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 08:53

shockeditellyou · 20/06/2024 08:41

They're also moving far less, driving far more, and eating far bigger portions. It's not as simple as laying all the blame at the feet of UPFs.

Oh, no, I agree, it is a very complex issue with many factors.

GalacticalFarce · 20/06/2024 09:05

"They're also moving far less, driving far more, and eating far bigger portions. It's not as simple as laying all the blame at the feet of UPFs."

Yes. We are way more sedentary than we should be. This is bad for our mental well-being too as daily exercise helps us to deal with our stress hormones and provides endorphins.

Imagine how people could improve their and their children's lives by cutting out upfs, going for a daily walk and cutting right down on screen time. It's so simple in theory.

Ginmonkeyagain · 20/06/2024 09:09

I think the point about energy drinks and bars is a really good one. For most people they are not necessary at all.

Mr Monkey is a pretty serious marathon runner (sub 3.15 and a volunteer pacer for a lot of big organised runs) and runs at least 60 miles a week. He only uses energy drinks and bars on actual competitive marathons and even then sparingly as he finds too much sugar upsets his stomach. For training and shorter runs he just has water, bananas and a decent quality protein and carb heavy diet (and a lot of crisps 😬).

Citrusandginger · 20/06/2024 09:13

^GalacticalFarce
"I don't know the exact make up of 1970's UPF but we would have a packet of angel delight between 4 of us, served with maybe a chocolate biscuit. Eaten as pudding after a home cooked meal of meat & 2 veg. We also only drank water with meals. "
^

Wasn't it usual to have pudding every day? A small amount like you've described but after dinner daily?

It was usual to have a pudding, but a small one. We would have angel delight maybe once a week. We also had home made milk puddings, baked apples, milk jellies, stewed fruit etc. The puddings were smaller and not eaten in addition to multiple treats throughout the day.

But the point I wanted to get across is that the UPF elements - although present - were a fairly small proportion of the weekly menu overall. And were not particularly cheap options compared with real food.

YellowHairband · 20/06/2024 09:26

They eat beige rubbish because parents think they wouldn't eat lentils, olives, spices

To be fair, olives are disgusting.

CharlotteBog · 20/06/2024 09:40

Citrusandginger · 20/06/2024 09:13

^GalacticalFarce
"I don't know the exact make up of 1970's UPF but we would have a packet of angel delight between 4 of us, served with maybe a chocolate biscuit. Eaten as pudding after a home cooked meal of meat & 2 veg. We also only drank water with meals. "
^

Wasn't it usual to have pudding every day? A small amount like you've described but after dinner daily?

It was usual to have a pudding, but a small one. We would have angel delight maybe once a week. We also had home made milk puddings, baked apples, milk jellies, stewed fruit etc. The puddings were smaller and not eaten in addition to multiple treats throughout the day.

But the point I wanted to get across is that the UPF elements - although present - were a fairly small proportion of the weekly menu overall. And were not particularly cheap options compared with real food.

This is how it was for us (I was born in 1970).
Mum would get a pack of whatever, which had e.g. 4 tarts, or a small Mr Kipling cake which worked really well until the 5th child was born, but I think that would have been the only 'treat' on a normal day.

She cooked from scratch a lot too, but I think convenience food was such a boon for our parents (crispy pancakes, Vesta curry, fish fingers) that they embraced it because it saved so much time.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 20/06/2024 09:44

I grew up in the 80s and 90s (in the US, so ground zero for UPFs) and my experience was similar in that UPFs were add-ons to a diet of mainly real foods.

I might have cereal on weekdays but hot homemade breakfasts on weekends, Doritos were only at other children's birthday parties, a small packet of pom bear type fruit snacks but after a lunch of say tuna, bell peppers and real bread. The only crisps my parents would buy were a plain flavour local brand, and only occasionally for summer barbeques with fresh burgers, corn on the cob and homemade potato salad, watermelon for dessert or homemade strawberry shortcake (like plain scones). We did have fruit flavoured yogurts sometimes but not non-fat.

A lot of my friends were similar. Now it seems like a free-for-all over there.

massistar · 20/06/2024 10:06

There is definitely something about the food culture in this country that makes us more susceptible to eating UPF compared to our continental neighbours. I'm married to an Italian and he's horrified by stuff like jarred pasta sauce or chicken nuggets. It's not even cheaper than a bit of onion, tin of tomatoes etc although you do have to be able to buy olive oil and maybe some herbs. My DC were weaned on olives, fish, Parmesan cheese etc and even the baby purées of courgettes over pasta stars was drizzled with extra virgin olive oil and Parmesan. These are strong flavours so their palates were being developed. They're now teens who'll eat anything including broccoli, kale etc but again these are stir fried with ginger, garlic and soy sauce.

We do our absolute best to avoid UPFs, main thing we struggle with is bread but we don't eat much of that and I go by the 80/20 rule. But I've worked from home since my eldest was a toddler so have had time (and money) at my disposal. Reading Ultra Processed People really opened my eyes to how much we have been and are being manipulated by big companies. It's a complicated issue and I don't know what the answer is.

shockeditellyou · 20/06/2024 10:25

Fundamentally, this isn't a food problem, it's a cultural problem that no government has touched with a barge pole because "nanny state!!!1!".

We need a government that supports active travel as the default (and yes, that means it's going to be a pain in the arse to drive for YOUR journeys as well), that took what it did with the sugar tax and implement that for fat and portion sizes (including your nice middle class cheese), and stand up to the likes of Mondelez, CocaCola, Just Eat with legislation that has real teeth, and ensure planning laws support active travel and restrict junk food shops and takeaways.

Fannying about teaching home ec in school is a poor way to make any kind of change.

PaminaMozart · 20/06/2024 10:27

Reading Ultra Processed People really opened my eyes to how much we have been and are being manipulated by big companies. It's a complicated issue and I don't know what the answer is.

I don't know what the answer is either, but reading Ultra Processed People (or a government approved version thereof) should be part of the curriculum.

A real eye opener. Quite scary, actually.

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massistar · 20/06/2024 10:37

PaminaMozart · 20/06/2024 10:27

Reading Ultra Processed People really opened my eyes to how much we have been and are being manipulated by big companies. It's a complicated issue and I don't know what the answer is.

I don't know what the answer is either, but reading Ultra Processed People (or a government approved version thereof) should be part of the curriculum.

A real eye opener. Quite scary, actually.

It should be and I think as time goes on we'll find out more and more about the detrimental effects of UPFs on our bodies. Not just in terms of weight but impact on gut health and brain health.

Ginmonkeyagain · 20/06/2024 10:44

I am convinced of a connection between the brain and the gut and the impact of poor food on mental health.

rzb · 20/06/2024 10:46

llamajohn · 19/06/2024 10:57

quite, and te marketing of UPF right form baby weaning is incredibly successful. Just look at the utter shite in the baby food aisles- crisps, biscuits, cakes...,all marketed as "baby" food. But you think it's what babies must eat, because it's int he baby food aisle ... you're conditioned to believe that crisps are essential food for babies, and convinced of your choices because instead of calling them "Cheese Wotsits" they're called "Organic cheesy puffs" or "veggie nibbles" or whatever. So you have the swathe of parents feeding their kids Wotsits happily, a swathe of parents merrily feeding them cheesy melt puffs with tomato powder (and feeling smug / superior to those Wotsit givers...) - so like the majority of parents happily giving their 8 month old baby some wierdly-formed corn based snack covered in favour powders ... both forms of which are UPF and utter junk. Babies are being weaned on fake/junk foods, of course they're then going to struggle to enjoy a stick of celery!

When I had my kids, we had decided to try using reusable nappies, gradually transitioning with our first from disposables (akin to the gateway drug to the baby aisle) to only using cloth nappies between around 2-5 months. This was really fortunate for us, as I no longer had need to enter the baby / 'utter shite' aisle when doing the shopping. Consequently, when weaning, I just gave my baby bits of food that we had anyway - I figured this is probably what humans had been doing for a long time and it clearly worked OK. I did boil a few sticks of swede for my precious, lucky little child (who ate them anyway, presumably not knowing that it's the devil's own veg), but mostly I just gave them the easily self-feedable foods we were having - green beans, broccoli, carrots, pork chop... They ate it, we carried on doing it.

Our childminder thought we were pretty odd for providing a pot of leftover veg and a few bits of chicken (i.e. real food) for our child's lunch, and we did do things like pack a chunk of cheddar and some cold, french beans as a snack, but eventually our childminder came around to the idea and said it was really nice to see our child tucking into their food.

I'm pleased we avoided being sucked into packets of stuff targeted at progressive ages of babies. I doubt I'd have avoided putting them in my trolley if I'd have been frequenting the baby aisle, and I think it was probably cheaper to give the baby some of what we were having than buy the packets. They've maintained pretty good eating habits thus far, and I hope that continues.

Ginmonkeyagain · 20/06/2024 10:49

@massistar jarred pasta sauces confuse me as a lot of pasta is so fast, cheap and simple to cook.

Last night we had pasta and I made a sauce in 15 mins just a little more time than it took for the pasta to cook - I fried mushrooms with olive oil and minced garlic, added a few strips of pancetta, then added a tin of tomato pulp and a splash of red wine and simmered for 10 mins. Stirred though the cooked pasta and a little of the cooking water and it was done.

massistar · 20/06/2024 10:52

Exactly @Ginmonkeyagain. There's so much you can do, literally in the time it takes to boil your pasta. My MIL used to make her tomato sauce out of a bit of onion and a tin of Mutti tomatoes. The kids loved Nonna's pasta al pomodoro. And yes I know that you need good quality tomatoes and nice pasta but it's still cheaper than a jar.

massistar · 20/06/2024 10:56

Btw.. I'm from a very working class background and was brought up on crispy pancakes and boil in the bag curries. But I still remember my son literally bouncing off the walls after a fruit shoot at a party and thinking WTAF is in this stuff? It's awful awful stuff that should be nowhere near children.

PrincessTeaSet · 20/06/2024 11:02

llamajohn · 19/06/2024 08:06

It's not as simple as giving more money to people. It's an education problem as well.
Some people genuinely don't see the issue with sending their kid into Y3 with a lunch of a cold rollover hotdog, a pack of Doritos and a bottle of prime. My sister works in a primary school and sees this kind of thing all the time. The parents don't want to learn how to make a decent lunch, it's easier for them to "be lazy" and give the kids what ever they will eat or is easy to grab on the way to school.
some of these parents are drug abusers, alcoholics etc, it isn't even on their radar to make sure their kids are fed well..

School dinners are 70% junk food too though. Pizza, fish fingers, nuggets, pasta with jar sauce. Twice a week they have something that is actually freshly cooked such as roast dinner or shepherd's pie.

I guess it's a cost issue

Ginmonkeyagain · 20/06/2024 11:03

@massistar ahh man, I love Mutti tomatoes, I always stock up when they are on offer!

Caiti19 · 20/06/2024 11:22

Increasing childhood obesity and diabetes are alarming.

That Guardian article says we're shorter than Germans and Dutch people. Hasn't that always been the case? Average height in these countries has always been higher than the U.K.