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Or has my babies birth given me PTSD

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Changedforprovacy · 17/06/2024 21:53

Posting in the hopes that writing it down might help me work it out myself!

in light of recent news coverage and so many awful tales on here, I’m worried that perhaps I’m being a bit dramatic. I got through the birth relatively intact and my baby is a big healthy and happy girl. So I feel I have no right to feel the way I am.

Recently I had my fourth baby. Having always had pretty simple labours before, I naively assumed this one would be the same. Pregnancy was awful but no major health concerns. Just SPD and horrific being pregnant with so many other small children to care for.

So it was expected that this would be a fairly low risk and low drama birth in the birthing centre, in a pool and my biggest concern was that they might for any reason try and take me out of the pool at any point. Because with SPD , Labour is (in my experience) far more unbearable if it’s not in the water.

I had my first contraction at 5am and started running a bath, expecting to chill out in there for the majority of Labour and only go to the birth centre at the end. But before I could even get in to the tub, the contractions were coming rapidly and intensely and I didn’t really get to time them. They were one on top of the other and absolutely excruciating. I knew something wasn’t right so we got someone here immediately to watch the children and we headed in to give birth a lot quicker than I’d expected to.

it’s important to mention that the previous week I had a false alarm. This happened a few times the week prior (he was very overdue, like all of mine were). In the false alarms , when I called the maternity triage number it took 50 minutes of being on hold before I got through the first time. And 39 minutes the second time.

The reason I mention that, is that when the real event happened, I didn’t even bother calling. There was absolutely no point. All I could think of was getting to that hospital as fast as possible, and we live five minutes away. So there was no point in sitting on hold to triage for ten times the length of time it would take to get there.

It meant no one knew we were coming in. But it’s apparently ok to turn up, you don’t have to inform them.

When we got there, the doors were locked. I presume for security. But there was no one anywhere to be seen. I was on all fours in the street outside mooing like a possessed cow, my husband was hammering on the door and repeatedly pressing the buzzer. Nothing. For over ten minutes we were left out there. I couldn’t stand up or move, and it took my husband calling the main hospital and begging them to send someone to the door.

when they came, I can’t fault them. A lovely lady essentially just manhandled me into a room, stripped my clothes off me and got ready to catch a baby without knowing who I was or what the circumstances were. She eventually wrapped a monitor round my middle because she presumably thought by the signs that baby would be crowning, and then realised she wasn’t.

monitor didn’t sound great. I’d say we waited about ten minutes of a barely legible heartbeat which was agonising to hear, and by then I felt delirious with pain and distress because it was too fast and too powerful and I was very scared.

I don’t remember a lot beyond this. I know that the red button was pushed and the room filled with people. I remember them running down a corridor with me on the bed screaming that I didn’t want a c- section and them shouting over me to say ‘have to go to surgery, category one section, no time to gain mums consent’ and I know some poor woman who was already in theatre prepped for an emergency section was wheeled back out to let them wheel me in. (I don’t blame them for going against what I was screaming. They were professionals acting in a medical emergency and I was in no fit state to be thinking clearly. I was terrified , in agony and in shock I think)

I remember lots of people and hands all over me. I remember being held down as I tried to get up and writhed around with the pain. I remember people sticking stuff to me and someone pouring liquid in my throat and pushing a mask on my face. I very much didn’t want any of that, I am quite phobic of all medical/clinical things. But I understand they had to do that and I’m glad they didn’t pussyfoot around listening to my resistance. I do remember very clearly saying over and over that he was coming NOW and being told he was not.
I was being told very sternly to stop pushing and was very distressed because I could sense that this was critical to let them do whatever they were doing but I absolutely couldn’t stop my body pushing.

I believe that when the surgeon began inserting the catheter, she realised I wasn’t wrong afterall because suddenly the tone changed and she was shouting for the other staff to stop me going under the anaesthetic and get the mask off my face NOW.

I knew he was coming, I’d said it over and over , but perhaps doctors who have women in for a category one section are no longer even thinking about a vaginal birth.

he was born vaginally there and then, in theatre , with no assistance (I mean no forceps or the suction thingy). Just pushing, and it was about three pushes. Very quick, very painful and very scary because unlike my previous births there was no lovely midwife talking me through the pushes etc. just lots of strangers looking panicked and telling me to stop pushing and trying to put me to sleep.

Again, I don’t THINK anyone screwed up. I don’t blame any of the doctors or midwives for what happened. I think each person did their job in a scary , very fast situation and they did what they are trained to do. Surgeons are presumably not trained to listen to women who say baby is coming, and guide them through pushes. They are trained to get that baby out fast, safe and alive. So I genuinely don’t THINK anyone was in the wrong.

I suppose that’s where I’m struggling. I don’t understand what happened. I don’t know why he came so quickly, I don’t know why he became so distressed, I don’t know why his heartbeat was so low. My full labour from contraction one to baby out in the world was an hour and a half. A very dramatic, painful and scary hour and a half where I felt like I was going to die and my baby was too. I was told afterwards that this was what everyone else in the room had feared too.

Due to his distress, baby was born blue, she was absolutely covered in meconium which went EVERYWHERE as she was born , so it was obvious right away that this was the reason she didn’t breathe. They did something called delayed cord something (?) so I rememeber her awkwardly laid on my chest, covered in this tar stuff and not moving or breathing or crying. And me wondering why no one was doing anything. I still don’t fully understand why that happened because she was then rushed off on a resuss trolley with lots of panicked looking doctors who had tried to get her breathing in theatre and couldn’t seem to.

After the stitching etc, we were wheeled into a side room (hopefully so the poor woman ahead of me could be taken back in for her section). And the thing is, we were left there for two hours. No one came to check on me after a fairly traumatic delivery. No one came to tell me anything about my daughter. I rang the buzzer a few times and a nurse would come , different one each time and they seemed surprised to see us, as though they didn’t know who I was or why I was in the room. I’d ask about baby and they’d say they would call NICU and then they just wouldn’t come back. For two hours, I had no idea if my baby had even pulled through.

She did. And after four weeks in NICU, she has come home and thrived. No lasting effects. She did well in NICU , required CPAP and various other treatments to make her lungs function etc but she is ok and so am I.

I immediately blocked it all out I think. I was focussed on her and the NICU stay was hard work as I was breastfeeding and that was harder in the hospital setting. I missed my other children and was probably too hectic to really process it all. I’ve felt ok. But a few things have left me feeling a bit shaken.

One day a woman on the tv was in labour, and while I wasn’t watching whatever show it was, the sound of that guttural howling in pain just felt too familiar. I got very hot and had a definite emotional response that gelt between a panic attack and something more tearful and sad.

The same happened when I lay back in the bath one night. Something about being laid back with a bright light above me triggered the same reaction. And then today I had it again while trying my first post partum workout. Laid on my back with my legs splayed and I just felt instantly sick and panicky and I know that it’s something to do with all that happened.

I was initially referred to a trauma birth service in the nhs but in the week it took to get my referral they were closed down due to funding cuts. So they don’t exist anymore.

I do have a perinatal debrief session upcoming but I have a feeling it will be quite clinical and short, and not really a place where I can process what happened.

I suppose what I’m wondering is whether I even need to process it. Am I being a bit of a wimp? I came out alive, so did my baby. And I was told this was very nearly not the case, because if I’d had just a few more seconds of the anaesthetic I’d have been out cold, baby would be crowning and therefore stuck and not able to be born via the incision or otherwise and things could have gone very differently.

I am tearful a lot. Very angry at husband for no real reason most days. I feel over stimulated and overwhelmed a lot of the time and am aware I’m trying to stay busy and feel in control by letting some old OCD habits creep in. (I do have a history of mental health issues but mostly eating disorders and WELL recovered now in adulthood)

Should I just thank my lucky starts, be grateful we are ok and pull myself together?! Or is this likely to not just go away, and I need to consider whether I can afford a couple of private therapy sessions? We are not well off enough that I would do this unless it was really likely to be necessary and helpful.

If you read all this, thank you. It’s a bit of a waffling one!

OP posts:
YouveGotAFastCar · 17/06/2024 21:57

How recent is “recently”?

I had a cat 1 emergency section too. We had to be airlifted. It is traumatic. People recommended birth listening to me, but that made it worse - they didn’t have any recorded notes on a lot of things and reliving it all was very difficult. They told me about two occasions my baby was in “severe distress” that they hadn’t told me about before, and one where they thought we’d lost him.

Time helps, though. I found it really tough for quite a while but time really does help. He’s 2.5 now and I’m a lot better.

💐

LeonoraFlorence · 17/06/2024 22:02

Had similar ‘cat 1 crash section’ with my DD1 and I definitely felt traumatised for a long time after. DH struggled too but wouldn’t really say a lot for a long time. I still can’t think about it too much, to be honest. However, 4 subsequent DDs have come along and I had much better experiences.

Fedupwithitx · 17/06/2024 22:02

That was a harrowing read, so very sorry for your experience and so glad you and baby are doing well. I think it would be beneficial to talk to someone about how your feeling and No you absolutely don't need to suck it up

NoseNothing · 17/06/2024 22:03

Oh my goodness @Changedforprovacy that sounds very traumatic and scary. YANBU at all for feeling how you feel.

I don’t think you should just be grateful you’re here and alive. To be honest, the way you were treated is appalling and it sounds like the hospital have some massive problems (being on hold to triage, not being open when you arrived, leaving you abandoned when you’d just given birth?!). I mean, I just don’t know where to start on all that really.

Really prepare for your debrief. Write down questions in advance. Maybe take someone with you, a friend or DH?

Did you see the same community midwife for your antenatal appointments? I would maybe speak with her?

How long ago was this? I would tell everyone how you feel and demand help. Midwives, HVs, GP. Anyone.

Sending huge hugs 💐

44PumpLane · 17/06/2024 22:06

Your birth story doesn't sound in any way "normal" and very much sounds like something you should talk to someone about.

About 2-3 years after my traumatic birth experience I finally had some sort of panic attack and immediately sought therapy, and honestly it was the best thing I could have done.

Do you have an Employee Assistance Program through your or your husband's work? Or do you have Private Healthcare? As you may be able to access counselling/therapy sessions through either of those avenues.

Also, you can request a debrief session to go over the notes of your birth and discuss what went on and ask questions you may have if you think that might help.

Don't bottle it up, talking helps!

Posithor · 17/06/2024 22:06

YANBU - I have trauma from my first birth, which left me with a birth injury, and spent a lot of time saying "oh they did all they could to help," until one day I realised not one person listened to what I was actually saying.

I had a birth debrief 2 years later when I was pregnant again and I was lied to and generally felt a bit more angry.
That resulted in me almost giving birth in a corridor after leaving it way too late to go to hospital...

Not sure me also having issues helps but I hope it validates how you feel.

mitogoshi · 17/06/2024 22:10

There is a debrief service who can talk you through what happened and why, often putting into context what happened really helps you put the situation behind you. It sounds scary because you didn't really know what was happening or why whereas for them they were working as a team to ensure that your baby was delivered safely. As you have said you do understand that they were doing their jobs but a debrief should help you join up the dots

HPD76 · 17/06/2024 22:10

I’m so sorry this happened to you. I had an emergency section though it wasn’t as dramatic as yours and for that and various other reasons related to the birth and pregnancy I was diagnosed with PTSD. I was never offered any treatment for it, or pills or anything. I’d had a healthy baby and I was a bit mentally messed up but I had to get on with it. Eventually I got myself a therapist which helped a lot. I think post-natal care in this area is beyond inadequate. I hope you can find the support you need. You’re not alone x

Offcom · 17/06/2024 22:15

Are you a bit of a wimp? A BIT OF A WIMP?

No. You’re incredible. Honestly, that’s a harrowing story to read, let alone live it in real time. But I do feel privileged to have read it, thank you for laying it out here

Chocolateorange22 · 17/06/2024 22:16

Gosh that sounds horrifying, just want to give you a big hug. If you feel that you need more support then access it. There's no need to be stoic and downplay things.

I too had a traumatic birth. Was told I was low risk as previous birth on a MLU so off we went for a home birth towards the end of Covid times. Needless to say it all went a bit wrong. I had a birth debrief afterwards and although it was medicalised it really did help. I'd blacked parts out and carried massive guilt over things. Going through the notes actually made me remember those bits and slowly over time I healed. He's now 3 and I've started getting flashbacks again, no idea what's triggered them but no doubt I'll seek further help if it gets any worse.

Lavender14 · 17/06/2024 22:18

Op after reading that I just want to give you the biggest hug.

That must have been terrifying and I think it does come across from your post that a lot of it is unclear and confusing and you don't really understand why it happened. I do think the debrief might help in that aspect to actually step by step work through that overwhelm, and maybe get some clarity on what exactly happened and why it happened.

Then I think it might be good to get some longer term support, maybe counselling, support from the perinatal mental health team or via your gp or health visitor so you can unpack the emotions that will naturally go with all that.

I think it's important to say that your reaction and the feelings you are having sound completely understandable and natural given the experience you had but that doesn't mean you need to put up with them or go through it alone. It's probably important that your partner also gets support because as horrific as it was for you going through it, watching it was also probably very scary as well. So you've actually both been through something traumatic but in very different ways and I think it's important that he unpacks his stuff so he can really support you with your journey through it.

My experience was different in that my pregnancy was in some ways traumatic and it took a while for me and dh to really understand the ways it affected us because when baby arrives they take so much of your focus. So I'm glad you're speaking up and getting support. You deserve to create the time and space for this.

TeaPleaseX · 17/06/2024 22:20

I don't have any advice but that was really brutal to read so I can only imagine how you are feeling. I'm really sorry you experienced that. I hope you heal in time that's an awful birth. X

newtlover · 17/06/2024 22:20

no you're not a wimp and I don't think you should just feel lucky to have survived with a healthy baby
the debrief may help as your memories may be jumbled- when we are experiencing a traumatic event (as this definitely was) we don't 'make memories' in the normal way so the sequence may be wrong or some insignificant details may seem much bigger than they were
your memories have been triggered by sights/sounds that short circuit your memory back to the traumatic event and this is characteristic of PTSD
I would go to your GP and explain the impact this is having on you - there are treatments that can really help
Or as PP have said, see if you can access support some other way.

Husbandcantfindanything · 17/06/2024 22:23

Oh my, you are absolutely NOT a wimp.

Read this back as if it was a lung collapsing or something, how traumatic that would be if all of this happened around it and then apply it to your birth! Just because you and your baby are alive doesn’t mean this isn’t utterly traumatic.

There are services, charities, NHS support for this. Please get help, you deserve it 🫂

ProjectEdensGate · 17/06/2024 22:26

Why on earth do you need to think you just need to get over it and be happy you have a baby? Who is feeding this type of nonsense into your head?!

I had an emergency csection with my first and honestly I just wanted to slap people who told me 'At least you have a healthy baby, be grateful for that'. Without ever fully knowing or understanding what it was like.

Even if you cannot get anything on the NHS, can you look into private therapy? A 20 minute birth debrief isn't something that will help fix this.

Changedforprovacy · 17/06/2024 22:26

Quite tearful reading these responses. Thank you so much, all of you, for responding. I think I needed to tell someone what happened so I could just validate that I am not being dramatic and it really was bloody awful even if it was no one’s fault.

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Motnight · 17/06/2024 22:30

That sounds awful, Op.

I agree with others that you should ask for a debrief.

DiddyRa · 17/06/2024 22:39

I’m so sorry you went through such a traumatic time. I’m glad you and your baby are now well.

The debrief may well help you. I remember just having someone say the words to me ‘you were really poorly. You had a terrible time and it must have been scary’ gave me this overwhelming sense of validation and relief. It was quite emotional.

whilst the debrief helped me and I’m sure others, it can’t necessarily help you work through your feelings so some extra support through counselling etc may be useful.

FawnFrenchieMum · 17/06/2024 22:43

You don’t say how long ago this was but your feelings are totally valid. My second birth was a very traumatic emergency section, DD not breathing etc. I was in ICU for a period of time afterwards and like you just left immediately after the birth. I couldn’t watch anything birth related for a long time afterwards and anything prem baby related gave me flash backs. I didn’t seek any help and probably should have done however I have now processed it years later.

FawnFrenchieMum · 17/06/2024 22:44

I wish I had known about this debrief option, I think I would have benefited from that a lot.

Changedforprovacy · 17/06/2024 22:45

Sorry I should have mentioned. Daughter is now three months old. So it hasn’t been long!

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HandsDown84 · 17/06/2024 22:46

Oh, OP, you poor thing. Anyone would be absolutely in bits after that.

Our trust does a birthing debrief that you can book as an appointment with a nurse - do they do this in your area?

bzarda · 17/06/2024 22:54

Just wanted to say I can totally relate to that terror of being on the table and everything being so fast. My emergency csection was so quick (she was born 30 mins after arriving at the hospital) and it took me a long time too to watch anything birth related, to exercise, to talk about it.

I think you are so brave and clearly very in tune with your body and what it needed. You saved your babies life. That is amazing and I understand why you would feel so scared and affected by it still. My birth wasn't as traumatic as yours and I still find it hard to think about.

3 months pp is really early still so give yourself a break, your body has been through a huge amount.

CountryMumof4 · 17/06/2024 22:55

You are absolutely in no way being unreasonable. It sounds like a traumatic time, but it does sound like the medics looking after you were simply doing as they have been trained to do - which at that point sounds like they thought an emergency section was the best option. My last birth was similarly traumatic and it took some time to heal both mentally and physically from it. I do think that you'd benefit from some counseling for a while, just to talk through your feelings. I'm so glad you and your baby made it through ok, and I'm sure you're so very grateful too. Your feelings are entirely valid though, so don't doubt for a second that they aren't. It's still early days. Sending hugs hugs your way xxx

Offcom · 17/06/2024 22:55

A friend did have an EMDR session after a traumatic birth (including baby being whisked off with no updates for ages). It’s not that it makes it like it never happened, but instead of the memory getting stuck at the worst moment it’s like you get to the end of the scene where the immediate danger has passed.

She also told me her midwife said keep telling the story until it doesn’t hold any power over you, which she also found really useful. The baby is now a bright, confident school kid

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