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AIBU to think human trafficking only happens in foreign countries and not in this country?

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Acrazybimbo · 17/06/2024 21:31

I’ve been hearing a lot about trafficking lately and always thought it only happens in foreign countries but rarely if ever in the UK as it’s never been a thing or talked about round here. I know a random thread to start but how in this country do they get away with it in this day and age with technology being how it is?

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DramaLlamaBangBang · 18/06/2024 07:41

Maray1967 · 18/06/2024 07:33

There is demand for their ‘services’ - so anyone who uses their ‘services’ should understand that they are fuelling this crime. I use nail salons that employ local
people - it might not be cast iron proof but if someone has got a strong Scouse accent and can talk about which local school they went to, they’re unlikely to have been trafficked from Albania.

Any bloke using sex workers who are clearly from overseas should realise that he’s basically a rapist. Just like anyone who uses cocaine is fuelling several layers of abuse and exploitation, including of children.

Absolutely. People having coke parties or a line with their dinner party mates need to be told time and again that not only are they destroying rainforest at a far faster rate than anything else, but they are complicit in human trafficking and exploitation of poor people the world over and children in the UK being caught up in County Lines.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 18/06/2024 07:44

Supersoakers · 18/06/2024 07:39

No I’m not sure. Ok thank you.

Chances are they are Vietnamese

Startingagainandagain · 18/06/2024 07:45

Have you been living in a cave until recently?

Because you will find in the uk media many, many stories of women being trafficked to be forced into prostitution, people being kept as 'house slaves and criminal gangs exploiting the labour of illegal immigrants in this country and forcing them to live and work in appalling conditions...

TheThingIsYeah · 18/06/2024 07:47

@Lovesstaggbeetle

Thank fully... We've not seen too much in the news in recent years so hopefully we are tackling it.

More likely there's a lack of will. The authorities prefer the carpets and brooms approach. Because something to do with diversity and strength.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 18/06/2024 07:47

Acrazybimbo · 17/06/2024 21:47

How do they fly them in? A private plane?

You must be in the wind up or you never read or see the news, or just plain thick. How do you think illegal immigration’s happen?

rainbowunicorn · 18/06/2024 07:54

PrincessTeaSet · 17/06/2024 22:56

County lines is drug dealing not human trafficking. I mean it could involve trafficked people but that isn't the normal meaning of the phrase

County lines is much more than drug dealing and can very much mean human trafficking.

Sharontheodopolodous · 18/06/2024 07:55

In my hometown there is one nail bar that is always packed

I know so many women who use it

Every 6 months or so,it gets raided,found to have 'illegals',is closed down again and re-opens weeks later

And everyone is 'oh my god!I can't believe that hw nails has been found to have had trafficked girls'

And then they go back and have their nails done again

6 months later....

On my second date with dp,we went to a Chinese restaurant

The following day,it got raided and closed down

Same problem with the staff

(I still feel awful as it had a reputation for this but I'd not heard at the time)

Tesco had them years ago-park your car and while you shop,you could have your car cleaned for £7

It's everywhere-once you open your eyes

NoNameNonsense · 18/06/2024 08:00

I’m sorry OP but this post is very ignorant! I’m guessing you don’t live near a major city. Of course it happens everywhere. I actually think it’s scarily obvious in London.

tahinitoast · 18/06/2024 08:01

Human trafficking absolutely happens here!! County Lines, chicken shops, car washes and nail bars....

NoMoreLifts · 18/06/2024 08:01

Supersoakers · 18/06/2024 07:32

Ok so there’s a nail bar near me which is exactly like has been described- cash only, all Chinese, someone hovering. Men and women do your nails. They don’t really talk apart from to ask what colour you want and there are cameras in there too. Should this be reported somewhere?

https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov

Phone numbers for reporting and more info here

Modern slavery and human trafficking

The nature of the threat Referrals for modern slavery and human trafficking have increased: in the year ending December...

https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do/crime-threats/modern-slavery-and-human-trafficking#:~:text=Reporting%20modern%20slavery&text=There%20could%20be%20victims%20of,an%20emergency%20always%20call%20999.

Supersoakers · 18/06/2024 08:05

NoMoreLifts · 18/06/2024 08:01

https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov

Phone numbers for reporting and more info here

Thank you I have reported it on the modern slavery helpline.

rainbowunicorn · 18/06/2024 08:15

Please be aware that trafficking and people smuggling are not the same thing. People automatically think of nail bars, chicken shops, American sweet shops etc when they think about trafficking. There is also a huge problem across the country with British citizens being trafficked. Many of these are children that are used in county lines activity and are trafficked to another part of the country. Young British women, girls and boys being trafficked into the sex trade. Any of whom are recruited into county lines initially. It's not all about foreigners being brought into the country. It can be much harder to spot the uk nationals that are being trafficked because most people don't even realise that's what it is.

Waitformetoarrive · 18/06/2024 08:18

Nail bars, car washes, fruit & veg picking, brothels, flower picking etc …..

All these services that are dirt cheap are run on slave labour, it is all over. Do you not wonder how they can run a business charging next to nothing?

there was a good post on here recently about a bouquet of flowers, someone was moaning about the the costs. There were quite a few replies saying they get beautiful flowers for a fiver and how the OP was ripped off. The reason their flowers are so cheap is because of slave labour working conditions.

LadyFeatheringt0n · 18/06/2024 08:19

There are particular industries and cultural groups where its a known problem.

A friend works in a legal service where it comes up and said one area of concern is domestic staff in some migrant communities from countries where labour is cheaper where its more normal to have servants. People are are brought here (sometimes illegally) then have passports taken & aren't paid.

Yesiamtiredactually · 18/06/2024 08:20

I suspect that the OP is maybe AI or not asking genuine questions, however… this is an excellent thread, and regardless of the origin it’s so important that we talk about and educate ourselves and each other on this. There is so much ignorance on the topic and that’s what allows this ‘industry’ to thrive, ignorance and the fear of misunderstanding/offending someone.

KimberleyClark · 18/06/2024 08:21

Beautifulbythebay · 17/06/2024 21:34

I read an article about young English women being snatched from Cruise ships and sold off. Quite chilling... The Madeleine Mccann latest documentary gave some horrific insight into organised child abuse sites with catalogues of stolen dc on.

Link please

Afternoonteavirgin · 18/06/2024 08:21

Ex police despatch officer.
YABU. And naive. It happens.
Often.

Nonewclothes2024 · 18/06/2024 08:21

@Misthios of course some are flying in. Also ferries ??

OrwellianTimes · 18/06/2024 08:21

Fruit pickers, nail bars, hand car washes, sex workers.

I remember about 10 years ago a major raid on a fruit farm in Kent, many young men and women stuck in shipping containers on the farm with no light and inadequate facilities. All trafficked.

Nonewclothes2024 · 18/06/2024 08:22

Acrazybimbo · 17/06/2024 21:31

I’ve been hearing a lot about trafficking lately and always thought it only happens in foreign countries but rarely if ever in the UK as it’s never been a thing or talked about round here. I know a random thread to start but how in this country do they get away with it in this day and age with technology being how it is?

Are you joking? Your username seems appropriate.

LadyFeatheringt0n · 18/06/2024 08:22

How do they fly them in? A private plane?

Loads of ways!

Trucks/chunnel
Small boats
Student visas
Tourist visa "visiting family" then disappear

GaslitlikeaVictorianparlour · 18/06/2024 08:28

It's everywhere. I support victims of trafficking and it's never ending.
Some of the people have been moved through multiple countries and exploited in every one, some are from the UK and.have been exploited in different locations here.

KimberleyClark · 18/06/2024 08:29

KimberleyClark · 18/06/2024 08:21

Link please

To clarify I was talking about the cruise ship bit not Madeleine McCann. I’ve tried googling but found nothing.

LadyFeatheringt0n · 18/06/2024 08:35

So are there any legitimate nail salons, car washes ? How can we tell ?

There are clear signs!

  1. You are paying fuck all.
  2. You are paying in cash
  3. The people providing the service don't speak much english and there's one "overseer" who does who's also dealing with all the money

By contrast

  1. Nail tech is speaking fluent English
  2. handles the money themselves
  3. has her own phone in her pocket & maybe it rings between appointments
  4. Chats to you about the local community - schools, churches, pubs, sports clubs
  5. Is paid enough to be earning prob £15/h themselves on top of costs for equipment, energy usage, travel between appointments etc

Less likely to be trafficked

If its cheap there's a way they make it cheap.

ExitChasedByAPanda · 18/06/2024 08:37

BouleDeSuif · 17/06/2024 21:45

I was trafficked. I was born and raised in England and it happened to me. Through that, I met a lot of women from Eastern Europe who had been brought over for the sex trade. Some had been sold by family. Some couldn't remember their real name.

I was forced into it by a much older man, who I had thought was my boyfriend- it wasn't the first time he'd done it and he mostly worked me through escort agencies that were open through the night, because they're legal and nobody cares where you come from.

The agencies knew I was being forced- didn't care, because I was making them money.
They never even asked my real name. They never asked for ID. They just sent me out to men who rang up and asked for a girl.

Some girls there were living in houses with ten, fifteen, twenty others, being taken to work for agencies every night, all their money going to the man who owned them.

They get away with it because they make sure you're terrified of them, they make sure you're frightened of going to the police, they threaten your family, and because nobody cares enough about you to do anything to help you.

The agencies all had police, CID, vice squad, etc, on their books as clients and they were the worst because they could just get away with anything.

@BouleDeSuif That sounds harrowing. Hope you’re in a better place now? Flowers

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