To think Labour aren’t listening

[HermioneWeasley]

So my active page looks like this - huge ad for Labour. They seem to know we’re an important demographic. So why haven’t they listened to the mumsnet manifesto and taken the simple and popular step to protect women’s rights?

and no after seeing their incoherent manifesto position I definitely WONT be voting for them

Make it stop. Please.

Not everyone on Mumsnet agrees that gender and self ID are the single most important issue facing the UK, you know. It isn't a hive mind.

Because it's a niche issue and isn't by any means the biggest issue women face.

Poverty, healthcare, education, benefits are all way, way more important than this bloody gender stuff. And I'm gender critical!

Absolutely this.

Absolutely agree

I really haven’t got the energy to be overly concerned that Brian might want to wear a dress and call himself Briana when I am having to do a load of overtime to pay my bills

there are bigger issues for most of us to worry about

Yes, they are listening about important issues.

Labour can't do anything about that. Especially as they're sticking to the Tory spending plans. Keir couldn't answer what he'd do if growth didn't happen (or wouldn't).

And if you think that's all the battle for women's rights is about, it's really not. Children's safeguarding is also included in the fight. It is really not a single issue or just about loos.

You might think it’s a ‘niche’ issue but once women lose 100 years of hard fought rights and dignities it’ll be an even harder fight to wrestle them back. And we’ll have no political voice or collective identity to do it. To even identify as a biological woman will be contentious. I find it very scary.

It might be quite popular amongst a small niche corner of Mumsnet.

Most other people are far more concerned about other issues like the economy, NHS and education.

I agree, their financial plan is lacking too.

How is something that affects EVERY Woman and potentially every child too, a fucking ‘niche’ issue.
I despair.
Labour cannot simultaneously strengthen the GRA/ streamline transitioning and ‘ban’ conversion therapy ( which is what, exactly?) whilst upholding the Single Sex rights of Women and Girls.

Of course there are some women who are happy to be turkeys voting for Christmas.

No one would expect black or gay people to put the erasure of their rights and protections on the back burner because ‘NHS/ cost of living etc’.

This is over HALF the population being shat on. Privileged women will have their luxury beliefs but that doesn’t help severely disabled women and girls unable to get same sex intimate care, female prisoners sharing cells with men, victims of domestic violence having men in their support groups and rape shelters (sometimes RUNNING them), and young lesbians being called ‘sexual racists’ for not doing cock.

I cannot imagine a bigger issue. And if Labour care about other important issues, why are THEY focusing on the lunacy of gender ideology?

My advice - having been one of those firmly entrenched in the Mumsnet FWR hive mind is - step away from Mumsnet. In the real world it's a lot less scary than some of the regular posters on the feminism board would have you believe.

It also depends how they are defining ‘women’ and ‘girls’

Heard it all before.

The tories are a far greater threat to women than labour are.

Please don't be patronising.

This is a serious issue and there are many people I've spoken to away from MN who agree, actually. I'm sure I'm not alone.

All the issues with women's sports are there in the public eye to see, for instance.

Who said they're voting Tory? This is a thread about not voting Labour.

I’ll tell my friend with a severely disabled, non-verbal daughter, who now has to have her tampons changed by a man pretending to be a woman. Because apparently it’s important to ‘celebrate diversity of staff’. She’s finding it pretty fucking scary.

I’ll also tell my teenage lesbian niece who is bombarded by violent messages from ‘transbians’ whenever she goes on a dating app and looks for a female partner. She’s finding it pretty fucking scary.

While I’m at it, I’ll tell my neighbour who finally escaped years of being battered and raped by her husband only to have to flee the first time she went to a support group - and found a man in an dress there. She found it pretty fucking scary.

Im not getting those adds. Perhaps check your settings?

On the other hand, if you really think this election is only about trans people, I'd ask you to look at our rivers and seas full of shit, at over 7m on nhs waiting lists, of schools falling down, or the Tory party promising to cut 12 billion from our welfare budget which will/ must impact most on women, who are by far the main recipients, in my view,of welfare, because we are among the poorest.

I usually don't argue with dyed in the wool torys,there seems little point. But I do, and will, argue with each and everyone during an election, because I don't won't to leave this election to chance. This is important. Our country Needs a new direction.

It's not just about whether trans women should be allowed in women's toilets though, is it?

I think things like single sex prisons and rape crisis support are hugely important to the individuals affected, but I am lucky enough - touch wood - not to be one of those individuals.

For me the real concern is what taking this position says about Labour.

Do I want to vote for someone who said that women who need single sex spaces are "dinosaurs who hoard rights"?

Nope. Only a complete wanker would say that.

Do I think that someone who is willing to say with a straight face that some women have penises is competent to run the country?

No. Absolutely not.

On the other hand, if you really think this election is only about trans people

No, we aren't talking about transpeople, we're talking about women's sex-based rights and child safeguarding. Only people who want you to think it's a teeny, tiny, niche issue insist it's just about transpeople (and fucking loos).

Yes. It affects 50% of the population (and voting electorate)

Labour plan to take away the current rights of Women to divorce their husband before he ‘ becomes a Woman’ thus forcing them into unwanted same ‘sex’ marriage and divorce, that is horrific, state sanctioned psychological abuse.

I’ve never voted conservative as it goes, but I’ll be damned if I’m voting Labour. Women’s rights once lost are lost forever. A better NHS is no use to me if I can’t have a female only ward or female HCPs if I need them for me or my elderly mother.

and if it’s such a niche issue, why are Labour pursuing a ban on conversion therapy and getting rid of the “spousal veto”? Why can’t “trans rights” wait until after the revolution. It was important enough for Mumsnet to include in their manifesto. Labour are paying to advertise on Mumsnet, but have disregarded the rights and needs of a lot of women here. They’re not entitled to my vote and I won’t just suck up something I think is harmful to me, my mum, my daughter and every woman and many kids “for the greater good”.

But that is nonsense. We have no fault divorce now, so there is nothing at all stopping women from divorcing their husbands at the moment they take the decision to transition. As indeed they should - I see changing gender as a form of cheating on your wife, and if you're going to do it, you should agree to a divorce if that is what your wife wants.

But given that a no fault divorce law is now in place, just get on with divorcing already.