To think that a Reform UK government would just be like a Truss on steroids one ?

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Peeppuandpopo · 13/06/2024 08:58

So all the folk using them as a protest vote against the Tories will just get the usual cutting of benefits, selling off of stuff to huge companies, further privatisation of the NHS, demonisation of anyone ‘different’.
Loads of them are from areas ravaged by Thatcherism (which is basically Trussonomics) but they’ll just get more of the same….

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LlynTegid · 13/06/2024 14:25

We have no real idea of anything else other than economic policies would have happened had Liz Truss remained as Prime Minister for even a year. I expect as ineffectual as Rishi Sunak on matters such as migration, and as much a prisoner of the divided Conservative party, but that is only a guess.

A Reform party government won't happen in any case.

ll09sm · 13/06/2024 14:58

Againname · 13/06/2024 13:45

@ll09sm

I don't think it's regurgitated soundbites. It's common sense. Ending false economy is the morally right thing to do, but it's also economic good sense. Should appeal to both the Left and the Right.

I don't believe public services should be operated on a contracts and bidding system at all

They should all be brought back in-house. Run as a public service, not subcontracted to private or 3rd sector companies. On a related note, charities should never be a replacement for public services.

Previous posters have pointed out the issues of both poorer provision and false economy of NHS and social care being contracted out to private or 3rd sector organisations. Similar issues with housing. Unaffordable and substandard housing affects health. Which then increases demand on the NHS and benefits bill. Also lack of social housing increases the benefits bill.

A lot of money is spent on these contracts but the provision of support is poor. So people don't get timely and effective help (and access is too area dependant, rather than equally good services nation-wide). Also often the organisations who win the bids are more concerned with keeping the contract when it next comes up to bid for than providing a good service. More time and money is spent on the bidding process than providing the service.

So then people end up in more need of state help (ironically because they didn't get timely and effective help when they first needed it). So it ends up costing more.

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Efficiencies in the public sector is an opportunity and should be a priority. Though the problem is not the private sector. The private sector runs things efficiently, because the paying customer holds private businesses to account. If they do a bad job, they lose the business. Except when the paying customer is a public body. Public sector is inherently incompetent, when it runs services and when it outsourced services. It is the job of the NHS to outsource efficiently and hold providers to account.

In the same way as it is the job of ofwat to hold water companies to account and deal with poor performance.

In the same way as it is the job of ofgem to hold energy companies to account and get good value for the taxpayer.

All that aside, even if it were to happen, it is tinkering around the edges and does not solve the underlying problem. We have no growth in the economy because supply of everything restricted. Private money, land to build, cheap nuclear energy, regulatory freedom, favourable tax terms, high quality infrastructure such as roads, airports.

We know the Tories have failed at this. But there is not a single policy from Labour to address this. Not a single one. Apparently the non don tax and private school vat is going to make the economy come to life. Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak are equally braindead.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 13/06/2024 22:50

@Peeppuandpopo that’s a coincidence- I think you are. Hopefully that, anyway.

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