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To not really know what a toolmaker is

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Gabbsters · 12/06/2024 21:48

Well, I know what the words mean but Keir Starmer keeps saying it like it’s a well known job and I’ve never heard of it. What does it mean? Did he work in a hammer factory?

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pumbaasmiles · 14/06/2024 11:29

lljkk · 14/06/2024 09:07

I suppose Starmer repeats this biography info because when people hear "Sir Keir" they assume he came from privilege. Most people only vote based on their general impression of the person and they might only pay attention for 3 seconds. I can't blame him for wanting that impression of his background to be accurate.

made the most of a no-fees, subsidised living expenses university education

No more than everyone else in his generation in UK who got the grades to go to Uni ? Also, the big turning point in his career pathway apparently was when KS passed 11+. Therefore, he went to the Grammar school just before that GSschool became a private school (under a Tory govt?) Which is why his younger siblings went to Comprehensives. Among his siblings, the info in the public domain is that one is an HCA & another is a mechanic.

MNers used to rant about how wonderful the grammar school system was & that it should be brought back...

How many other political leaders have siblings now who have moderately or lower paid manual labour jobs? It wouldn't decide my vote, but it would matter to some voters that there is a good chance that KS gets frequent coalface reports of Cost of Living /Public services problems directly from "ordinary" people who he cares about. Which isn't true for most politicians.

Exactly this. There are a lot of people out there who assume he's from the stereotypical privileged MP background and that can have a big impact on the way people vote.

Buffypaws · 14/06/2024 11:32

A toolmaker is a man who sires, or a woman who gestates and births, an annoying politician

givemushypeasachance · 14/06/2024 11:37

My dad was a toolmaker, he's retired in his late 60s now. I never entirely understood what it was he did in fairness! When he talked about stuff he was making it often seemed to be he was making the components of other machines and equipment that could then be used to make other things - literally "making tools". But also sometimes things as different as components of F1 racing cars or weird little widgets that fit into machines for making who knows what. He'd done an apprenticeship as a teenager, and it was skilled manual work, even with all the CAD and CAM and technology there is now.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 14/06/2024 11:41

pumbaasmiles · 13/06/2024 13:49

I agree with this. I've seen so much written about KS that accuses him of being a "champagne socialist", of not coming from a WC background so being out of touch. His school became fee paying whilst he was there. He didn't need to pay and the changes were totally out of his control, but he's still been derided for going to "private"'school. His toolmaker line is in response to all the chatter about him not really coming from a WC background when he really did.
And how can he be dim?! He was the director of public prosecutions. You don't achieve that by being dim.

Exactly. Its ridiculous. The 'working class' bit doesn't matter as much as he is an example of the aspirational skilled working class, came from a family where they really did have to make sacrifices (unlike both Rishi Sunak and Born in a manor house Jeremy Corbyn) His mother was very, very ill, so presumably needed carers and could not work, reducing the family income. They would have known what it was like to budget and not have enough money coming in. I agree the 'toolmaker' schtick is a bit tired, but he is an example of what a good state education and a supportive family can do for aspirational clever kids who aren't from a privileged background. Social mobility has been absolutely stagnant under the Tories. If KS was a child today, his chances of being PM in 40 would be far, far lower.

jannier · 14/06/2024 11:44

ll09sm · 12/06/2024 22:32

It’s nonsense by Keir Starmer basically. His dad basically owned or worked in a factory. Like millions did it do.

by using the term toolmaker, he’s trying to show how he and his family are the salt of the earth types. Some kind of 17th century artisans, making things by hand, milking cows every morning and sending their children to harvest crops every late summer.

It’s pathetic. It shows what happens when you have no real ideas. Fortunately for him, his opponent is even more hopeless.

Edited

My husband is a toolmaker it's not a 17th century dark art.

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