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Another parking post - AIBU or local council just being awkward?

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parkingmayhem · 11/06/2024 22:12

Apologies in advance for this huge post! But AIBU to be really disappointed and p*ssed off at our local council?

Recently purchased a property, on a road that has 1 bay/zone that is ‘30 mins free’ and the the rest is permitted (at various times throughout the day).

A few days after we bought, I rushed round to drop a kettle/tea/milk for the builder. I parked in what I thought was this 30 min zone. While I was there, I started the process of applying for permits for the builder as I realised he was parking ‘illegally’ and wanted to be able to give him a ref number to pop a note in his van window to explain to any potential warden that it was in progress. 20 mins later I returned to my car to find a parking fine on the windscreen - happy new home!

Turns out the truck in front of me was parked completely over the poorly painted/faded road markings showing where the 30 min bay/zone ended - but there isn’t another sign to indicate that a new parking zone starts. This signage is at the other end of the street, about 30m away.

I put an appeal in to explain this, along with photo evidence of the truck and the signage/lack of signage.

At the end of the appeal I stupidly offered up the info that I had actually just bought on this part of the street, apologised that the area was new to me and that I was in the process of applying for the various parking permits, with evidence that the visitors permit application had been submitted before I had even been issued with a ticket. Apologising for the inconvenience and telling them in good faith that in future I’d have all the relevant permits and parking wouldn’t be an issue.

As I mentioned before, I applied for a visitors pass as it was quick and easy and a few trade passes for our builders. I couldn’t at the time apply for a residents permit which I explained, as they require proof (either a log book ref no. or insurance docs). We are living in temporary accommodation close by and so the car insurance isn’t registered to our new house address yet. The log book took a few weeks to arrive. So, dead end on the residents permit and I left it.

I still haven’t applied for a residents permit (they charge for them, they only last for a year and I’ve already forked out £100 for the others) as we’re not living there and whenever we visit it tends to be over work lunch time or on a Sunday (no permit is needed 11:30-1:30 Mon - Sat and all day Sunday). Most other times we go we will walk as we’re only 10 mins away on foot and being honest, parking there is a bloody nightmare so I don’t bother with the car.

The council have rejected my appeal on the grounds that we’ve not got the correct permit for our vehicle as we didn’t/don’t have a residents permit. The premise of my appeal however was nothing to do with permits and everything to do with this unclear bay and terrible parking by another person! I wasn’t trying to park on the road generally, I was trying to park in a zone that I was entitled to having free 30 mins.

AIBU to be really upset by this? And really p*ssed off that they’ve completely ignored the whole part of the appeal that evidences the zone issue/other vehicle?! Or do I just need to suck it up and pay a fine of £50 for parking outside my own property for 20 bloody minutes and be at peace with the bureaucracy/fact that I obviously wasn’t diligent enough with checking all the rules properly?

It was a genuine mistake though and I’m so annoyed with myself and also sad that we’ve bought a house that is clearly a nightmare where the parking is concerned. I’ve got so much on my plate at the minute that it’s pathetically tipped me over the edge.

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Springchickenonion · 11/06/2024 22:13

Write to your local MP or local Councillor

Abigaillovesholidays · 11/06/2024 22:21

If you have enough time and energy to challenge then do it!

parkingmayhem · 11/06/2024 22:25

Springchickenonion · 11/06/2024 22:13

Write to your local MP or local Councillor

I did think this but thought it might be pointless if we’re in purdah at the moment? And also wondering that if I’m possibly being unreasonable and in the wrong entirely then I really don’t want to waste anyone’s time including my own 😔

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BIossomtoes · 11/06/2024 22:26

Just pay. It’s a ridiculous thing to get upset about.

FinanceLPlates · 11/06/2024 22:31

Well to my mind you are not a resident yet as you don’t “reside” in the property, even if you own it! So yes I’d be annoyed too. But probably wouldn’t have the energy to challenge it… how much is the fine?

KrisAkabusi · 11/06/2024 22:33

Turns out the truck in front of me was parked completely over the poorly painted/faded road markings showing where the 30 min bay/zone ended - but there isn’t another sign to indicate that a new parking zone starts. This signage is at the other end of the street, about 30m away.

This is the only relevant part of your post. You parked where you weren't supposed to. You'll have to suck it up.

parkingmayhem · 11/06/2024 22:52

KrisAkabusi · 11/06/2024 22:33

Turns out the truck in front of me was parked completely over the poorly painted/faded road markings showing where the 30 min bay/zone ended - but there isn’t another sign to indicate that a new parking zone starts. This signage is at the other end of the street, about 30m away.

This is the only relevant part of your post. You parked where you weren't supposed to. You'll have to suck it up.

Perhaps you’re right as I get that but surely the council have a responsibility to ensure road markings are clear and signage clearly corresponds to them before handing out fines? There should be another sign right where I was parked to indicate a new zone had started.

Am I supposed to inspect every vehicle around me to check they’re parked appropriately and do I deserve a fine if I don’t? I took this photo after, which I had to get on my hands and knees to capture!

Another parking post - AIBU or local council just being awkward?
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KrisAkabusi · 11/06/2024 23:02

But you knew that the 30 minute zone is only one bay wide, you say it in your OP. So a parking zone that's 30m long clearly isn't it!

parkingmayhem · 11/06/2024 23:20

KrisAkabusi · 11/06/2024 23:02

But you knew that the 30 minute zone is only one bay wide, you say it in your OP. So a parking zone that's 30m long clearly isn't it!

No it was only after I received the fine (very confused at first) that I realised the 30 mins was only at the start of the street and saw that the truck was blocking it. The builder was parked on the opposite side where the signage is much clearer and in line with where it changes.

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nocoolnamesleft · 11/06/2024 23:27

Why on earth did you confuse the issue with multiple paragraphs of irrelevancies? Won't that have increased the chance of them rejecting your appeal?

parkingmayhem · 11/06/2024 23:31

@KrisAkabusi also just checked Google maps. The 30 min zone at the other side of the street accommodates multiple cars so it isn’t like it replicates our side at all

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StripedTomatoes · 11/06/2024 23:34

Just accept you were in the wrong and pay the fine. The rules apply to you just like they do to everyone else.

parkingmayhem · 11/06/2024 23:38

nocoolnamesleft · 11/06/2024 23:27

Why on earth did you confuse the issue with multiple paragraphs of irrelevancies? Won't that have increased the chance of them rejecting your appeal?

Completely realising that now but was just trying to be honest with them I suppose. The website says it takes 6 weeks to action the appeal so if they looked our number plate up and the application for a residents permit was there they’d think it was fishy.

I didn’t know back at the end of April I wouldn’t end up applying for it before they got back to us.

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sandyhappypeople · 11/06/2024 23:50

How much is the residents permit?

It's a bit shit, but from their point of view, you weren't parked in the 30 mins zone, you were parked in the residents zone without a resident permit. The fact that a truck was blocking the line is unfortunate but if they were going to let you off on that they would have done, so now you know they won't.

BUT because you've told them about being a resident, they've only rejected your appeal because you don't actually have a residents permit yet, that to me seems like they would have let you off if you had the permit now.

What I'm wondering is, if you buy the residents permit now, will they let you off the £50 fine? Maybe you could write back with evidence of the permit and explain that you've had to wait for the log book to come before you could apply for the residents permit, you've now done that so would they accept that as proof of residency and waive the fine.. I'd try one last time before giving in!

Or if it's a really expensive permit then I'd wait to get it to save yourself some money, pay the fine and chalk it up to experience.

VanGoghsDog · 11/06/2024 23:56

I obviously wasn’t diligent enough with checking all the rules properly?

Suck it up, you were careless and it has cost you.

WindsurfingDreams · 11/06/2024 23:56

Was there no upright sign indicating the zone change? (No idea if there has to be, but it seems madness if a trick can hide the thing!)

I think you may well have confused the issue by adding in a lot more information, as your post is quite hard to pick through.

You may have scope to query the appeal. It depends whether the cost of the fine justifies the hassle

Symphony830 · 12/06/2024 00:17

I would actually go back to them and just re-iterate the relevant information (marking of the bay) together with the photo.

KrisAkabusi · 12/06/2024 00:20

Was there no upright sign indicating the zone change? (No idea if there has to be, but it seems madness if a trick can hide the thing!)

You can see a pole in the photo, that I suspect has parking information on it.

parkingmayhem · 12/06/2024 06:41

@WindsurfingDreams there's the one sign and then nothing else until the other end of the street. The opposite side has lots of signage though so all the zones are well marked - it's like one is missing from ours.

@KrisAkabusi Yep, there is. The sign at the top of that pole states a 30 minute zone! You have assumed the same as me it seems, thanks :)

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fieldsofbutterflies · 12/06/2024 06:48

But the pole is right by where the truck is parked, showing he's in the 30 minute zone and you're not? Confused

Blarneytalk · 12/06/2024 07:02

It was a genuine mistake though and I’m so annoyed with myself and also sad that we’ve bought a house that is clearly a nightmare where the parking is concerned. I’ve got so much on my plate at the minute that it’s pathetically tipped me over the edge.

But you have bought that property, so you need to live with it. It's not the councils issue you haven't done your research.

You're making this way too much, just pay it.

Sirzy · 12/06/2024 07:08

You made an error. It happens. Just pay up

KrisAkabusi · 12/06/2024 07:39

parkingmayhem · 12/06/2024 06:41

@WindsurfingDreams there's the one sign and then nothing else until the other end of the street. The opposite side has lots of signage though so all the zones are well marked - it's like one is missing from ours.

@KrisAkabusi Yep, there is. The sign at the top of that pole states a 30 minute zone! You have assumed the same as me it seems, thanks :)

Edited

No, I would have read the sign!

littlegrebe · 12/06/2024 08:03

Pre election period doesn't prevent councillors taking on case work, it just means you won't see them in press releases. But actually you'd probably be better off just going to the next stage of appeal and taking out a lot of the wordiness to concentrate on the near invisibility of the road markings.

parkingmayhem · 12/06/2024 08:04

KrisAkabusi · 12/06/2024 07:39

No, I would have read the sign!

And you would have read it said you were entitled to 30 mins. Don’t know why this is hard to comprehend!

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