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This election is making me feel very alienated as an Indian woman

138 replies

Carowe · 10/06/2024 22:19

I’m half Indian. There is something incredibly unsavoury going on imo. I’m not a fan of the Tories or Sunak but Farage’s comments in tandem with the insane media storm over Rishi leaving the D-day event early seems racist. The argument that Rishi is not patriotic feels like a dog whistle ie he is not British enough/ a white prime minister would have stayed. All this despite 90,000 Indian soldiers dying in WW2 (I won’t even get into the millions of deaths from famine caused by Brits ransacking India for war supplies).

How many indiscretions did we let Boris get away with?

Very uncomfortable for me.

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Carowe · 10/06/2024 22:20

I do not want our country to become as racially divided as The States.

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SapphireSlippers · 10/06/2024 22:23

I personally, didn't let Boris get away with anything, he was a total cunt

AgathaX · 10/06/2024 22:26

I think you're looking for a racist slant on it. He was disrespectful, nothing to do with him being Asian.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 10/06/2024 22:28

AgathaX · 10/06/2024 22:26

I think you're looking for a racist slant on it. He was disrespectful, nothing to do with him being Asian.

A lot of right wing commentators and reform party candidates have tried to insinuate that because of his Indian heritage, Sunak cannot understand the cultural significance of D-Day.

That’s definitely racism.

MarthaDunstable · 10/06/2024 22:30

Farage's comment about Sunak was completely out of order, and I'd have preferred it if the other opposition parties had condemned it in stronger terms (I've just been listening to Angela Rayner giving an interview where she firmly disagrees with Farage's specific comments but doesn't condemn them or call them racist).

I've not seen much else in that line though, thank goodness.

Carowe · 10/06/2024 22:31

MarthaDunstable · 10/06/2024 22:30

Farage's comment about Sunak was completely out of order, and I'd have preferred it if the other opposition parties had condemned it in stronger terms (I've just been listening to Angela Rayner giving an interview where she firmly disagrees with Farage's specific comments but doesn't condemn them or call them racist).

I've not seen much else in that line though, thank goodness.

Well their silence speaks volumes.

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Pin0cchio · 10/06/2024 22:33

My only objection to rishi sunak is his politics. He leads a party who are currently exceptionally unpopular. Its got nothing to do with his ethnicity.

I'll be supporting the local labour candidate who is of indian heritage but more importantly i agree with his political position.

Pin0cchio · 10/06/2024 22:34

Meanwhile everyone know Farage is a racist prick. The best that can be done is to ignore him and draw as little attention as possible in his direction.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 10/06/2024 22:38

As someone tweeted to Nige when he was making his thinly veiled racist jibe at Rishi, it was good of him to go, given his side lost.

Reform is a racist party getting far too much airtime from the right-wing media, they don't set the tone for everyone.

Terrribletwos · 10/06/2024 22:41

Carowe · 10/06/2024 22:19

I’m half Indian. There is something incredibly unsavoury going on imo. I’m not a fan of the Tories or Sunak but Farage’s comments in tandem with the insane media storm over Rishi leaving the D-day event early seems racist. The argument that Rishi is not patriotic feels like a dog whistle ie he is not British enough/ a white prime minister would have stayed. All this despite 90,000 Indian soldiers dying in WW2 (I won’t even get into the millions of deaths from famine caused by Brits ransacking India for war supplies).

How many indiscretions did we let Boris get away with?

Very uncomfortable for me.

Yes, I feel that that the reaction against Rushak was completely overblown and used in a derogatory and racial way against him.

He attended and made a speech, for God's sake, but this was completely forgotten in the subsequent onslaught against him. I found it quite shocking and I am not even a Tory voter.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 10/06/2024 22:42

Of course what Farage said was a dog whistle. In fact it wasn’t even a dog whistle because even humans could hear it.

Farage does this often. Saying something racist then claim he meant something else. He always says it in a calm ‘gentlemanly’ way so as to seem reasonable but he’s done it that often that his intent is clear.

He claims he meant Sunak is too rich and upper class to understand ‘our culture’. This must mean the King also doesn’t understand our culture. Farage himself is from wealth and was a stock broker. Does he not understand our culture? We know what he meant.

Nevertheless I wonder if the right wing non-white, non ethnically English Tories are feeling less smug and more uncomfortable now? People like Patel and Braverman and even Sunak himself who’ve courted the UKIP/Brexit/Reform voters and were ok when they were targeting others e.g staying silent when Farage said he wouldn’t live next to Romanians or saying shit about Muslims. It wasn't racist and all ok then. Remember Patel dancing with Farage at the Tory conference?

Do they now realise he meant them too when he said to stop immigration? When Braverman screams about Britain’s needing to have more babies to out breed foreigners at Nat C conferences, does she realise her brown babies are not wanted?

Farage is disgusting and hopefully more people can see he’s led the country into poverty and international embarrassment. Nevertheless, Sunak helped him. Notice the Tories said almost nothing against Reform racism until today when one of their MPs said Britain should have appeased Hitler? If Farage hadn’t expressly targeted Sunsk yesterday, they would have said fuck all.

Merryoldgoat · 10/06/2024 22:43

MarthaDunstable · 10/06/2024 22:30

Farage's comment about Sunak was completely out of order, and I'd have preferred it if the other opposition parties had condemned it in stronger terms (I've just been listening to Angela Rayner giving an interview where she firmly disagrees with Farage's specific comments but doesn't condemn them or call them racist).

I've not seen much else in that line though, thank goodness.

I agree and just listened to what may have been the same interview.

It was an undoubtedly racist comment @Carowe

Terrribletwos · 10/06/2024 22:47

Terrribletwos · 10/06/2024 22:41

Yes, I feel that that the reaction against Rushak was completely overblown and used in a derogatory and racial way against him.

He attended and made a speech, for God's sake, but this was completely forgotten in the subsequent onslaught against him. I found it quite shocking and I am not even a Tory voter.

Sunak, I mean!

pikkumyy77 · 10/06/2024 22:48

Carowe · 10/06/2024 22:20

I do not want our country to become as racially divided as The States.

The UK is plenty racist all on its own. The flavour may taste different but there is no real distinction to be made. Mass murder of indigenes? Theft of children from indigenous patents? Destruction of languages? Slavery? Torture? Abuse of police power? Carceral state? Differential health outcomes for different races? Racism is out and proud in the UK.

Pin0cchio · 10/06/2024 22:48

I don't know if it reassures you op but most of us think everything that comes out of Nigel Farage's mouth is utter rubbish, this included.

Many people may not be talking about what he said because they are doing their best to ignore him.

Pin0cchio · 10/06/2024 22:48

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Pinkfluffypencilcase · 10/06/2024 22:54

Yes agree op. “Our culture” indeed.

Agree with pp too about he words things in a certain way. He’s v clever and dangerous.

CelesteCunningham · 10/06/2024 22:56

I haven't seen Farage's comments, but him being racist isn't a surprise.

I think in the mainstream, the reaction would have been the same if Boris or anyone else had left early. Apart from anything else, it was just so politically stupid. Of course it attracted lots of negative commentary.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 10/06/2024 23:05

If it had been boris farage wouldn’t have said he doesn't understand our culture. That’s the key bit.

SD1978 · 10/06/2024 23:06

There is racism around him, but has he not also said he plans to bugger off ASAP after losing and live somewhere his wife's squillions will go even further?

SallyWD · 10/06/2024 23:15

I'm sorry to hear you feel like this. I'm the mum of two half Indian children so I'm always interested to hear experiences of other mixed race people. I personally felt proud that we have an Indian prime minister, to live in a country where people from ethnic minorities can reach the highest level. However, I don't particularly like Rishi or the Conservatives. I did feel uncomfortable wgen I heard the comments made about him in relation to D-Day though. They seemed to want to emphasise his "otherness".

Gondoliere · 11/06/2024 07:57

Op not as bad as that. This happened as the left scrutinised and exaggerate everything to the extreme for their agenda. Have you seen the squad here on this. They are at it all day long. Boris was taken out by the social media and of course Sunak took the opportunity to stab him. For me Sunak isn’t a saint or very competent. I believe things would have been much better if Boris would have been the PM until elections. We had Liz Truss much worse and really affected everyone pockets.

You will see once Labour is in all the moaning and pearl clutching would disappear. However, we would become more like the US in terms of the culture wars since Biden. Labour plans are horrible for the erosion of women rights, class, racial division and crime due to uncontrolled immigration. This would bring of course more tension for minorities.

SocoBateVira · 11/06/2024 08:02

I think there has been some racism levelled at Rishi over the D Day fiasco. However, it was an appalling decision, even if one personally thinks the response has been overblown (and I absolutely don't, his behaviour was fucking offensive as well as stupid). And anyone in British politics ought to have the sense to understand that you just cannot be seen to put a foot wrong when it comes to war memorials. Look at what happened to Michael Foot and to Corbyn.

CaptainMyCaptain · 11/06/2024 08:03

AgathaX · 10/06/2024 22:26

I think you're looking for a racist slant on it. He was disrespectful, nothing to do with him being Asian.

I agree. I admit I don't read the comments of right wingers but I haven't heard his ethnicity referred to in my circles.

He deliberately appealed to those who would support National Service and vowed to protect pensions and then disrespected a large group of people many of whom who would be in the same groups. Obviously not everyone (not me) but an intersection.

You feel the way you feel but I think most people think Sunak is a twat because he's an inept PM with no people skills not because he has Indian heritage.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 11/06/2024 08:03

Well, he did leave early without good reason.

He exposed himself to a lot of speculation... some of it no doubt racist.

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