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Nurseries In Schools

37 replies

dottiedodah · 10/06/2024 11:47

So is this a good idea ? or not .Using empty classrooms .Not a separate building .Not sure re entrances .Or should new settings be sought out ? YABU Of course its a good idea .YANBU New private nurseries should be arranged

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PickAChew · 10/06/2024 13:01

It's big flashy red ads appearing all over mumsnet, @Needmorelego

PickAChew · 10/06/2024 13:03

Like here. They're massive on a desktop browser, framing the page.

Nurseries In Schools
Needmorelego · 10/06/2024 13:03

@PickAChew is it?
Adds are different for everyone aren't they.
I just keep getting crappy Shein adds 😂
(plus I'm on a phone - not desktop)

Another76543 · 10/06/2024 13:04

Eviebeans · 10/06/2024 12:38

Will be funded by VAT on private schools
apparently it will use spare capacity/space in schools caused by declining birth rate

Unfortunately, the Labour Party appear to have forgotten that they’ve already allocated the potential VAT money to extra school teachers and mental health support. They seem to be saying they can spend the same money twice.

TeacherMcTeacherface · 10/06/2024 13:08

Nice idea. Utterly naive.

'Spare classrooms???!' Are they joking?

Most primaries are full to bursting and don't have space for everyone as it is.

We have what was meant to be a temporary building taking up half of a small playground.

Children doing interventions are taught in corridors.

'Spare classrooms' - give over.

Also, wasn't that money already earmarked to recruit 6000 teachers? (The fact that over 40,000 left the profession last year is a whole other story)

I give up. Perhaps someone in Government could, oh I don't know, maybe talk
to someone who works in a school??

nannynick · 10/06/2024 13:09

It is not new. In 1991 I helped ar a pre-school based in a classroom of an infant school.

In 1997 the secondary school at which my adult education was based had an on-site nursery which took babies upwards.

If schools have the space, then using it is fine. The potential issue is an influx of children from the private sector resulting in more classrooms needed for infant/junior/secondary aged children. If parents who currently pay for private education stop doing so, then where will those children go? Is there enough state provision for school aged children and nursery?

Dramatic · 10/06/2024 13:09

TeacherMcTeacherface · 10/06/2024 13:08

Nice idea. Utterly naive.

'Spare classrooms???!' Are they joking?

Most primaries are full to bursting and don't have space for everyone as it is.

We have what was meant to be a temporary building taking up half of a small playground.

Children doing interventions are taught in corridors.

'Spare classrooms' - give over.

Also, wasn't that money already earmarked to recruit 6000 teachers? (The fact that over 40,000 left the profession last year is a whole other story)

I give up. Perhaps someone in Government could, oh I don't know, maybe talk
to someone who works in a school??

I think saying most primaries depends on where you are, my local primary is at risk of closing because of falling numbers. In fact out of 8 primaries in our town only one is full.

AliasGrape · 10/06/2024 13:11

I’m always surprised that other areas don’t have the school nursery just as standard. I went to school nursery in the very early 80s, when people said ‘nursery’ this is what they meant.

I taught in primary schools for 16 years, most of that in Early Years, including nursery. Had a role which took me into lots of different schools to see their EYFS provision too. Many still offering part time places but increasingly full time an option too, and in one school it was completely flexible which days/ times you wanted although of course still school hours (slightly extended) and term time. Very much part of school - earlier lunchtime and varied on whether they were included in assemblies etc, usually outdoor area (or sometimes both outdoor and indoor space) shared with Reception. I’m not always sold on how successful this is - depends on the cohorts really.

One school I worked with on setting up their nursery and they offered places from 2, so they had what they called the ‘preschool’ on site, and then a more traditional nursery class from 3 up. I’ve noticed quite a few more schools offering this, though generally the younger group is run quite separately. Initially they had a qualified primary teacher in the youngest group, but dispensed with this after the first year.

In our current area, when we first moved here and I was still teaching I realised fewer of the schools have a nursery class - but it’s definitely becoming more common. DD now attends a school nursery, they’re very much part of school in terms of uniform (not required but in reality every child wears one), being involved in school activities where appropriate but they seem to get the balance right of not placing too many expectations with regards to assemblies, more formal sessions etc. DD loves it and definitely works for her, and I’m able to tailor my hours accordingly (and use holiday club in school hols as needed since I’m no longer teaching). Definitely not the most flexible option though, even with wraparound care available.

I didn’t hear the discussion mentioned so going to read a bit more about it, but I’m assuming that since many schools already offer nursery from age 3, the suggestion is to create spaces for younger children. I can see it makes sense in terms of creating more childcare places, and could potentially be financially beneficial for schools - school and childcare are different things. I’d be a bit concerned at trying to make the one fit the other - in my experience of having 2 year olds within a ‘school’ environment there was pressure to plan/ assess/ resource etc as if we were talking about any other primary class, and it’s really not the same. This is true with 3/4 year olds too of course - a lot of schools still haven’t, and seemingly never intend on, embracing what actually makes good provision in the early years.

Eviebeans · 10/06/2024 13:12

Apart from how it will be funded (obviously revenue from a particular source can only be spent once) it does sound as if the type of provision available will be very patchy from area to area and even within different schools within a local authority as not all schools will have the space/empty classroom available - ours wouldn't at the moment. So that is not exactly offering equality of provision for every child. And if it is only offering the shorter school day hours I can't see how this will be of much benefit to working parents. Hopefully all of this will be fleshed out when they publish their manifesto

Needmorelego · 10/06/2024 13:13

@TeacherMcTeacherface in South East London (where I live) there are empty places in primary schools. Many are undersubscribed and/or being closed.
So there is the space.
But obviously that's just one small part of the UK.
I just read the plan on BBC news. It makes sense if there are empty buildings to use them for nurseries if there is the demand.
The country is full of empty shopping centres and office blocks too - maybe they could use spaces there?

LittleLegsKeepGoing · 10/06/2024 13:30

Eviebeans · 10/06/2024 12:38

Will be funded by VAT on private schools
apparently it will use spare capacity/space in schools caused by declining birth rate

Where in the country has a declining birth rate so rapid that entire classrooms will be freed up for the creation of additional nursery spaces?

Even the less desirable primary schools in our city are operating on at least 90% filled spaces - most are oversubscribed. They'd have to be at least 50% or lower to be able to combine classes to free up a classroom.

There would have to be a monumental societal shift for this to change in the next 5 years.

Eviebeans · 10/06/2024 13:37

LittleLegsKeepGoing · 10/06/2024 13:30

Where in the country has a declining birth rate so rapid that entire classrooms will be freed up for the creation of additional nursery spaces?

Even the less desirable primary schools in our city are operating on at least 90% filled spaces - most are oversubscribed. They'd have to be at least 50% or lower to be able to combine classes to free up a classroom.

There would have to be a monumental societal shift for this to change in the next 5 years.

I don't know of any schools where this is the case - the school where my grandchildren go has had to increase the number of children they take in particular years due to house building in the local area - but this is what I heard announced at lunch time, so I'm guessing there must be some somewhere. Lol a politician said it so it must be right...

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