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To feel sad and like the friendship is over due to flat earth belief

255 replies

UprootedSunflower · 08/06/2024 17:28

Friend is a nice person. Comes across sensible, though has had a deepening religious conviction over the last 5-10 years. I’m Christian myself, but I’m talking a bit more fringe. We don’t talk about the fact she probably doesn’t consider me a Christian anymore. I ignore it.
But today I overheard her get really animated and happy in a flat earth discussion. She believes in flat earth. An intelligent woman who’s travelled the world and is from a country in the southern hemisphere. I’d certainly say she is educated and far from stupid.
Aibu in finding this a bit of a final straw moment for being friends? It just felt like something snapped inside that I could t ignore tbh when I heard her. I don’t feel like I want to expose the children, and I don’t feel I can keep the pretence up. It’s just a bit too far, and it feels like it’s gone over the edge.
Aibu, silly to give up on a warm and pleasant person? Or would you be drawing a line?

OP posts:
bluewaxcrayon · 09/06/2024 13:51

Thepeopleversuswork · 09/06/2024 13:38

@bluewaxcrayon

your attitude seem to explain why so many MN pride themselves on not having friends, not going out, never ever having people staying over and would pass out in horror at the idea of staying overnight in friends house, hate wedding, birthdays, hen nights... So narrow minded.

What on earth has that got to do with flat earthers?

You are conflating two totally unrelated things.

Being misanthropic and grumpy and hating people (which is indeed a very big problem writ large on Mumsnet and it’s one of my pet hates) has absolutely nothing to do with not wanting to have close friends who are stupid or credulous or have bought into cult like beliefs.

Its perfectly possible to be open and friendly and open minded without having to lower the bar so much you are willing to spend time with people who are hugely intellectually challenged.

The comment about "having a pulse" was mean.

I am probably more open-minded than you are. Someone having a weird belief, I would just put it down as a quirk and not let it bother me. It's harmless. That same person might have skills or something I don't have.

I have some ridiculously bright friends. Famously rewarded for their achievements. I have absolutely no doubt that I can be called stupid in comparison 😂They somehow still talk to me 😂

I would not go into a relationship with a flat-earther, it's not enough to stop me from having them as friends. I'd probably draw the line at them trying to convince me and being obsessed by it.

TheHornedOne · 09/06/2024 14:01

I woud be bemused, but then you consider yourself a christian so IMO I’d probably have the same opinion of you that you do of her.

Consider her harmless entertainment.

Groomofthestool · 09/06/2024 14:12

murasaki · 08/06/2024 18:19

If the earth were flat, cats would have knocked everything off the edge.

Grin
Spidey66 · 09/06/2024 14:46

My best friend is a Brexit supporter and votes Conservative. I'm a life long left of centre Remainer.

As soon as she hit 55, she sold her house and moved into a retirement flat. I totally get the downsizing but thought moving into a retirement flat was a bad idea as they're difficult to sell.

We've had discussions about our different opinions but while neither side will budge it hasn't affected our friendship at all. We've been friends for 40 years. A few differing opinions ain't going to change that. We just agree to disagree.

Thepeopleversuswork · 09/06/2024 15:34

@bluewaxcrayon

I would just put it down as a quirk and not let it bother me. It's harmless.

Going to have to agree to disagree on this: I don’t think it is harmless.

I don’t think believing the world to be flat is harmful per se: but a mind that is so easily manipulated into believing something to be true when there is abundant evidence to the contrary isn’t one I would enjoy engaging with. Particularly when it’s such a pointless thing to commit yourself to. I just wouldn’t trust that person to have sensible thoughts on things that really matter.

I don’t require my friends to be huge intellectual giants; but I do want them to be intelligent and mentally robust enough not to fall down exceptionally pointless rabbit holes.

Helengreggregson · 09/06/2024 15:45

FishStreet · 09/06/2024 09:57

Yes, exactly. This ‘belief’ is not a minor personal pregerence for vanilla being better than chocolate, it’s a sign of a limited intellect and a credulous personality incapable of judging sources of information. Not someone I want around me in a sustained way. Most people are ‘kind’. I absolutely require an equivalent level of intelligence to my own in friendships.

Some extremely intelligent people are eccentric and quirky and have different beliefs about different things. The way I see it life would be really boring if we were all the same. The belief isn’t harming anyone. And I don’t think it automatically means the person is stupid.

Helengreggregson · 09/06/2024 15:47

CrunchyCarrot · 09/06/2024 10:47

Can I address the elephant in the room OP, or maybe put a different slant across this? You mentioned that you are 'a bit more fringe' Christian and from what you say you think your friend maybe doesn't consider you to be a Christian now.

Is it possible she has similar feelings about you and your beliefs? You don't state what your beliefs are, but maybe she considers those to be inconsistent with Christian doctrine? Just asking you to take a step back here, really.

I would say that if she is a pleasant friendly person whose company you enjoy, then don't just throw that away over this, (after all, you are not perfect either). The only reason I'd back away from this friendship is if the flat earth thing started to take over all conversations, ie. becomes obsessive.

Totally agree with this comment

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 09/06/2024 15:56

‘Several people have made this point, however it’s a false equivalence. The earth is demonstrably not flat, however science doesn’t rule out the existence of god.

Its not a false equivalence, it’s just a petty insult. Makes the Godless feel superior on a Sunday 👹

Helengreggregson · 09/06/2024 17:48

RoseUnder · 09/06/2024 09:58

Describing a flat earther under the spectrum of “a range of faiths and beliefs” is not ok

Some things can’t be denied or questioned.

Would you be friends with someone who resolutely believed 2 + 2 = 5? A Holocaust denier? These cannot be classified as a “faith or belief”. Neither can believing our planet is a plate!!

Talk about a return to the dark ages. Sometimes I think we need a second enlightenment…

Edited

No I wouldn’t be friends with a holocaust denier . That’s a whole different kettle of fish. Come on

MaitreKarlsson · 09/06/2024 17:56

YANBU
I've recently fallen out with a very well educated friend who has decided climate change ia a myth.
I can't separate the person from a belief like that - it changes how I feel about her.
The bad thing is I know she never used to think this, but has got it off the Internet.

underpresha · 09/06/2024 18:03

I had a friend who fell down a hole during Covid, as others did. They went from anti-vax to serious woo, believing energy fields in the body could cure cancer etc, and in recent months have gone full anti-immigration and racist.
All influenced by Facebook rubbish.

I can’t associate with anyone like that.

Hoppinggreen · 09/06/2024 18:07

I would struggle to be friends with someone like that. Not because of their beliefs as such but because I would have no respect for them at all and I prefer relationships with people I consider to be an equal, not someone I pitied

MarvellousMonsters · 09/06/2024 18:18

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 08/06/2024 18:15

But you believe in something that you can’t prove exists so how are you any better? Keep friendship and avoid religion and earth

This is an excellent point. I view devoutly religious people as delusional, and flat-earthers are just extension of that delusion. Except we can prove that the Earth isn't flat.

Thepeopleversuswork · 09/06/2024 18:26

@MarvellousMonsters

I’m an atheist. But at least religion has a moral snd ethical code. Whatever you think of it (and I don’t think much), there is at least a bigger goal to religion.

As far as I can tell there’s no point to being a flat earther other than being awkward and deliberately misinformed. And boring people to death.

Platypuslover · 09/06/2024 19:01

ForKeenDeer · 08/06/2024 17:38

I've got and a friend that truly a believes a talking snake led to sun in the world! She actually really believes the bible literally! She always my friend in other ways but don't tend to get into this conversation as her arrogance into believing this is astonishing! Oh, and God talks to her all the time. A professional with a high salary and respected in her field. It's just a belief. As is the bonkers flat earth!

God talking to her is not just a believe. She is likely an undiagnosed Schizophrenic. I’d suggest they get help and make sure they tell their medical professional God talks to them all the time. God is not that talkative.

Catsmere · 09/06/2024 19:29

murasaki · 08/06/2024 18:19

If the earth were flat, cats would have knocked everything off the edge.

I thought of that line about two seconds before I saw your post! 😸

Toptops · 09/06/2024 19:47

murasaki · 08/06/2024 18:19

If the earth were flat, cats would have knocked everything off the edge.

Love this!

MoonWoman69 · 09/06/2024 20:18

People having different beliefs to oneself is what makes the world go around. I don't believe in a lot of things that people normally believe in, that doesn't make me unintelligent, I just have different views on things and share them with like minded friends.
I find all sorts of "rabbit hole" topics fascinating, it doesn't mean to say I blindly believe them!
Personally, I find xenophobic people with narrow minds and tunnel vision the type of people I wouldn't want to be around.
But if OP's friend isn't ramming her belief down her throat, or talking about it every time they meet up, then I'd keep the friendship going. They may not share each others views, but if they enjoy each others company, that's what makes for rich, diverse and interesting friendships.

gotmyknickersinatwist · 09/06/2024 20:22

'it feels like it’s gone over the edge.'
😂

AstraBlue · 09/06/2024 20:37

If you want to find out just how utterly bizarre Flerfers can be just have a look at any Facebook group that involves astronomy. One of the central tenets of their delusion is that NASA lies about everything and all their photographs and videos are faked. This very frequently then expands into other conspiracy beliefs including but not limited to anti Vax, chemtrails, deep state mind control, New World Order, anti semitism, holocaust denial, climate change denial etc etc. My advice would be to avoid them.

UprootedSunflower · 09/06/2024 20:48

AstraBlue · 09/06/2024 20:37

If you want to find out just how utterly bizarre Flerfers can be just have a look at any Facebook group that involves astronomy. One of the central tenets of their delusion is that NASA lies about everything and all their photographs and videos are faked. This very frequently then expands into other conspiracy beliefs including but not limited to anti Vax, chemtrails, deep state mind control, New World Order, anti semitism, holocaust denial, climate change denial etc etc. My advice would be to avoid them.

This nails it. Like a gateway drug? You’re probably hanging out with and condoning all of that on a wider scale.

OP posts:
Brumhilda · 09/06/2024 21:06

IndecentPropolis · 08/06/2024 17:39

Well she is stupid isn’t she?

Yes. If you’ve flown anywhere you cal look out of the window and see it’s bloody curved.
Honestly she’s nuts. What on earth can she bring to a friendship?

RavenSurvivor · 09/06/2024 21:21

UprootedSunflower · 08/06/2024 17:28

Friend is a nice person. Comes across sensible, though has had a deepening religious conviction over the last 5-10 years. I’m Christian myself, but I’m talking a bit more fringe. We don’t talk about the fact she probably doesn’t consider me a Christian anymore. I ignore it.
But today I overheard her get really animated and happy in a flat earth discussion. She believes in flat earth. An intelligent woman who’s travelled the world and is from a country in the southern hemisphere. I’d certainly say she is educated and far from stupid.
Aibu in finding this a bit of a final straw moment for being friends? It just felt like something snapped inside that I could t ignore tbh when I heard her. I don’t feel like I want to expose the children, and I don’t feel I can keep the pretence up. It’s just a bit too far, and it feels like it’s gone over the edge.
Aibu, silly to give up on a warm and pleasant person? Or would you be drawing a line?

Idiots like them are not worth being friends with

MistAndFog · 09/06/2024 21:25

Flat earth theory isn't really any more out there than believing in a god, it's just not quite as common. Unless there's other reasons I'd just treat it the same as any other belief and explain to the kids that some people believe different things from the past but that you don't because of science we know nowadays, and then just smile and change the topic when she brings it up.

BluebirdBoogie · 09/06/2024 21:26

To be fair, you believe in god and he doesn't exist either.