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To tell my friend I won’t discuss religion?

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BucketBouquet · 08/06/2024 15:36

Name changed for this as I’ve had people follow me around threads recently.

I’ve known my friend Jane for three years now. We met as mature students and have stayed friendly as I moved into a house not far from her after uni. We’ve always got on very well generally, and I gelled with her partner too. However, over the last year or so she has got heavily into Christianity, which has started to affect our friendship.

I should be clear that it’s not the religion itself with which I have an issue - she’s entitled to her beliefs. However, she doesn’t want to accept that I’m entitled to the same thing, and that I neither believe in God nor want to debate why I feel this way.

It started relatively slowly, with questions about what I did believe if I didn’t believe in God. When I said I didn’t really have a theory about “the creation”, she said “that makes me think you haven’t given it enough thought”. I said I didn’t need to give it any thought; that I didn’t have to believe in God just because I hadn’t got a particular favourite alternative theory. I pretty much shut the conversation down after that. On another occasion, we’d met to go shopping and, before she’d arrived, I’d been stopped by one of these “Have you heard the joyous news?” types giving out leaflets. He’d recognised me as he’d knocked on my door with the same spiel a few days before and got very excited; telling me this wasn’t a coincidence and God had meant it etc… I just said I had to go and to have a good day, but was thinking “What a nutter”. I told my friend when she arrived, thinking she’d find it as ridiculous as I did, but she also decided it wasn’t a coincidence and that maybe God was trying to tell me something 🙄 Also in general when I’ve made clear that I don’t want to get into discussion about this, she’s said things like “Well, maybe you’re just not ready to let God into your life yet”.

Anyway, it’s all come to a head this weekend. She told me her friends from church were having a couple of events over the weekend and asked if I’d be interested in coming. I wasn’t, but I had plans anyway, so just said I couldn’t go rather than specifying that I didn’t want to. She replied, “That's a shame - Matt [her partner, who doesn’t share her beliefs] doesn’t want to come, but I thought he might if you did”. I said maybe if she reassured him that it was just a chance to meet her friends and not a recruitment drive, he’d be prepared to go.

Jane suddenly starts looking a bit sheepish. She then admits that the idea of the Friday and Saturday social events is that, once you’re there, they start asking you if you’d consider joining them on Sunday too - at church. I was really annoyed. I suppose I should have guessed, but I was daft enough to think my friend wouldn’t try to con me. I told her as much. She got flustered, saying she knew I’d really like everyone and that’s why she wanted me to go, and of course she wouldn’t put me under any pressure, but that she was expected to “spread the word”.

I’m fuming. I feel conned and pressured. The only way I can see our friendship continuing is if we take religion as a subject off the table, permanently. I don’t care if she thinks I’m just not being open to it, or haven’t given it enough thought - I don’t believe in God and that will not be changing. I can’t see this going down well - she’s already on Facebook groups called things like “Why should I be ashamed of loving God?” that are basically suggesting Christians are somehow an oppressed minority, and I can just imagine what her so-called friends from church will say if she tells them. But I don’t see any other way.

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stickygotstuck · 08/06/2024 15:41

I'm sorry, OP.

I'm not sure friendship can survive the zeal of the newly converted. Especially if she is 'expected' to bring in fresh meat, as it were.

Rolomania · 08/06/2024 15:42

I’d sit her down and be honest with her. You love your friendship and you’re happy that she’s happy. You support her in anything she wants to do (that isn’t harming others) but she has to accept you don’t share the same beliefs and you want to drop the religion chat. If she can’t accept you have different beliefs then I don’t see this friendship working out.

escarg0t · 08/06/2024 15:52

Oh I’d just drop her. Any kind of reasonable conversation will fall on deaf ears as her religion will now be more important to her than anything else.

It’s a shame but you’ll never have an equal, balanced relationship with some religious like that, there’ll always be that underlying agenda.

NuffSaidSam · 08/06/2024 15:57

I wouldn't be fuming, she's clearly going through something. It is unbearably annoying though so I think telling her that religion has to be a no-go zone for your friendship is an excellent idea.

I think it might actually be comforting to her, she's clearly got caught up in this cult-like group and is now being pressured to add to the flock...if you give her a safe space where she knows religion isn't going to feature it might be a welcome respite. Or she'll drop you as a friend, but at least you won't have to listen to it!

FOJN · 08/06/2024 16:06

What sort of church is this? I agree with PP it sounds a bit cult like.

I think you need to be honest and direct with her; you respect her faith, you have no interest in developing one, you are not interested in her opinion about that and you do not want to discuss religion with her. Tell her your friendship will not survive if she cannot accept this.

senua · 08/06/2024 16:14

I am rubbish at recognising faces so this may cloud my perspective. If I had been out knocking a lot of doors all evening I doubt that I would recognise one of those random faces in a shopping centre a few days later.

Your friend knows your address. Your friend knew you would be in the shopping centre. In view of the weekend story, are you sure it was a coincidence and not a set-up?

yellowsmileyface · 08/06/2024 16:14

The problem with some Christians is that they see it as their duty to God to spread the word and convert the people in their life. You could have the talk with her and assert your boundary, but from her perspective, her duty to God overrides your request to not discuss religion.

I think you should talk to her and give her the chance to respect your wishes, just be prepared that it might fall on deaf ears.

BucketBouquet · 08/06/2024 16:17

senua · 08/06/2024 16:14

I am rubbish at recognising faces so this may cloud my perspective. If I had been out knocking a lot of doors all evening I doubt that I would recognise one of those random faces in a shopping centre a few days later.

Your friend knows your address. Your friend knew you would be in the shopping centre. In view of the weekend story, are you sure it was a coincidence and not a set-up?

I doubt it; I’m quite distinctive looking (well above average height) so it’s not unusual for people to recognise me.

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PonyPatter44 · 08/06/2024 16:19

Bloody hell, I grew up going to church, would happily describe myself as Christian - but what you're describing is close to fundamentalism. Is it one of these Vineyard churches, by any chance? They give me a headache...

Jasmin1971 · 08/06/2024 16:21

Please just tell her the subject is completely off the table. Some Christians need to learn how to take no for an answer. I'm sorry this is happening to you. Be careful with her , she needs to respect your point of view

Longdueachange · 08/06/2024 16:23

The trouble is, she thinks a lot of you so she probably thinks its her duty to "save" you or recuit you into her little cult. I honestly don't think she'll ever stop. It's worth a go though at just telling her that it's affecting your friendship, and that she needs to either drop it or you walk away.

stayathomer · 08/06/2024 16:26

Op when I first started reading I was thinking it was like me but the opposite- a lot of friends in the past on nights out suddenly started asking why I go to mass, how I can continue to be catholic given what they’ve done, do I really believe in god/ heaven etc etc. but your friend, bless her, sounds waaayyy to into this and the indoctrination side is creepy!!!!

KreedKafer · 08/06/2024 16:29

Sounds like she’s joined a very evangelical church where they set a lot of importance on trying to convert as many people to Christianity as possible. A former boss of mine belonged to a super evangelical church and ended up getting sacked for constantly trying to proselytise at work. When she was told it wasn’t appropriate she tried to argue that trying to ‘bring unsaved people to Christ’ was a requirement of her religion and that she was being discriminated against if she wasn’t allowed to do that. She didn’t win.

If your friend cannot stop herself from trying to spread the word, YWNBU to walk away from her. I suspect this will end her relationship, too, if her partner doesn’t share her views. If someone is as zealous as your friend is, it will be very difficult for her to maintain a relationship with someone who rejects her attempts to ‘save’ them.

I’m an atheist but I have loads of friends who are Christians, including my MIL who is a regular church-goer. My cousin and her husband are active in their church which is very happy-clappy. And one of my dearest friends is a practising Catholic. They all talk about their faith. But none of them would ever dream of trying to convert me or attempting to argue with me about their beliefs, just like I wouldn’t try to make them stop believing in God.

That’s the difference between your friend and most other Christians.

pikkumyy77 · 08/06/2024 16:33

You can’t put religion off limits because her new religion and new friends are too important to her. More important than you. And superseding any respect for you.

AantisocialButterfly · 08/06/2024 16:37

She needs to separate her relationships in life and her religion. It's nice that she's found a path she wants to take, that makes her happy, and it would be a different story if you were open to this I'd imagine. But since you are not, and you've made this clear a multitude of times, she needs to realise that she is on the verge of losing a friendship over this.
You need to be straight with her and give her an ultimatum I'd say. It's either she keeps trying to get you involved and you part ways, OR she separates her friendship from her religion completely, and gets to stay friends with you.
Best of luck x

fatphalange · 08/06/2024 16:39

Tell her that you believe in a fairy who lives in the sky and who sent a human sacrifice to earth and this was also their son and everyone's dad and people gather round to drink his pretend blood. Oh no that would be silly!

BrightYellowDaffodil · 08/06/2024 16:50

She’s being an arse, not least because she’s putting her beliefs before her friendship and any respect for you.

I have a strong faith but it’s private to me. I never really talk about it unless someone asks or it comes up in some way. I would never proselytise because a belief (or no belief at all) should be something you have for yourself, not something you’ve been railroaded into.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 08/06/2024 16:52

You'll have to tell her OP. A hard no. If she cares about you she will agree. If she doesn't well then she was not going to stop until she swayed you to join too and you'll be well rid.

I know someone whose family member joined something similar and they have managed to separate the two sides of her life completely. It is never mentioned and they somehow still remained close.

LifeInTheRaw · 08/06/2024 16:55

I think I can understand how difficult this is for you, as you clearly like and respect your friend.
However in any true friendship, this has to be reciprocal.
I am not a believer in God in the way that was introduced to me as a child at school (ie religious studies), or the Sunday school I attended and I did enjoy, but only because of the social aspect.
As I matured into a young adult, I questioned the idea of religion, God bible etc, and came to my own conclusions that felt right for me.
I still feel the same, and I still have friends that are either not religious, or are quietly religious.
I could not be honestly myself with a so called friend who was expressing themselves to me he way that your friend is doing to you.
It's not your fault that she's discovering a different way of thinking and if she loves it, then fine.
You should not be made to feel on edge, or wrong.
You could either do as pp have suggested that she leaves religion of the topic of conversation when she's with you, or if that's not feasible to her, then you may have to consider leaving your friend to her life with other like minded people.
You do not have to put yourself through mental hoops in trying to accommodate this friendship, if she's not willing to respect that you are not a believer, and as far as you are concerned, you are not just "lost" and waiting for the right (according to her) religious door to click open for you.
Good luck, not an easy one, as you clearly are a kind thoughtful person not wanting to hurt your friend.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 08/06/2024 16:58

@stayathomer I've had a bit of that too, being asked why my kids made Holy Communion, do I really believe in this or that. Truth is I'm not particularly spiritual it's as much a cultural thing for me, but I have some deeply religious freinds who say they too have been challenged by others. Like the atheists trying to recruit! Its unacceptable either way. Why can't people just respect each others beliefs and life choices.

BucketBouquet · 08/06/2024 23:27

Thank you for your help. I’ve had messages asking if I’m upset. I replied saying that I don’t want to discuss religion any further and that I won’t be paying any attention to further pushes to take part. Let’s see what happens.

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