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GracieGrowler · 07/06/2024 14:44

My mum is a council tenant, has a house she's lived in for 50+ years on a nice estate where most of the houses are now privately owned, including the one adjoining her. She's 83 and a keen gardener, but goes for the cottage garden/wild roses look.
Her neighbours are total arseholes. In their late 50s both physically fit and capable but spend their days moaning and complaining. Every year at around this time they start putting letter thru her door about issues such as ivy over growing (I looked, it was literally 2 leaves) or her hedge. It upsets her terribly and makes her scared to be outside. In the past they have shouted and screamed at her and threatened her, and she thinks they poisoned a fox cub that she found dead.
They've just sent a new letter complaining that her hedge is too high and spoiling their view (of a road). It's probably about 5 foot tall at most. Do they have any grounds to complain and make her cut it legally, or can she just ignore them? It's not going over to their side of the property

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Seeline · 08/06/2024 10:58

Deborah54 · 08/06/2024 10:28

Are you sure?

No this is incorrect.

Been in planning over 30 years.
Fences/walls adjacent to a highway 1 m max, or else PP required.
Other fences/walls 2m max otherwise PP required.

Trees and hedges/shrubs are not 'development' and ate therefore not covered by the regs. They can be any height.

High Hedges legislation can only be applied to evergreen/mostly evergreen hedges over 2m high, but doesn't restrict hedges to that height unless the Council determine that to be the appropriate height. It can be higher.

There can be bye laws/covenants etc that restrict heights, but that is different legislation, and unusual.

Hatfullofwillow · 08/06/2024 11:02

Making a complaint

The high hedges legislation has been designed so that the general public is able to use it without the need to involve lawyers. This would be a simple sequence of events:

Where you feel that a hedge is too tall and affects the ‘reasonable’ enjoyment of your house or garden, the first step is to negotiate with your neighbours. Keep a copy of any letters to demonstrate you have tried.
If negotiation is unsuccessful, contact your local council to enquire about using the high hedges legislation. There is a fee for making a complaint (typically £400) to deter frivolous applications
The local council will consider both sides’ cases and make a decision
The council will reject the complaint or issue a notice for the work – including the period in which to cut the hedge back and by how much
There is a chance to appeal
It is advisable for the hedge to be cut below the requested height. This will allow the hedge to grow in between trimmings, but still remain below the stipulated height

For more information on the complaints procedure, see the Communities and Local Goverment website: guidance on high hedges legislation.

How much will the hedge be cut back by?

Although the law states that a high hedge is more than 2m (approx 6½ft) tall, this is not necessarily the height to which a hedge is reduced. The final height will be decided by your local council based on the requirements and information provided by the complainant and hedge owner. For example, the following issues can be taken into consideration:

The hedge blocks too much light to a neighbour’s house or garden. However, the legislation does not guarantee access to uninterrupted light
The hedge is on a slope, so is more overbearing
The hedge blocks a view. This is a valid complaint but, by itself, is unlikely to be enough to justify action

There are guidelines (not mandatory) in the government’s Hedge height and light loss.

Fact and fiction

There are some common misconceptions about the high hedges law, some of which are explained below.

What the law can do:

It can override Tree Preservation Orders (TPO), although these should be considered when the complaint is evaluated
It may be decided that a hedge needs to be cut back in stages (e.g. over a period of three years to minimise the risk of killing the hedge)

What the law can’t do:

It cannot require the removal of a hedge
Work that would result in the death of a hedge is not permitted
The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 makes it an offence to destroy any bird’s nest that is either in use or being built. The period given for cutting should take into account that, where birds are nesting in a hedge, work should not be carried out between March and August
Require homeowners to get permission to grow a hedge above 2m (6½ft)
When a hedge grows over 2m (6½ft), the local authority does not automatically take action, unless a justifiable complaint is made
The law can not be used as a preventative measure – the hedge must already be above 2m (approx 6½ft) tall and impairing reasonable enjoyment
Further information

The advice provided here is just a quick guide. There is considerably more detailed information available from the Communities and Local Government’s website. They have produced a series of booklets detailing how to complain and respond to complaints. These are available by post or can be downloaded free from their website and include the following titles:

Hedges – How to resolve disputes without involving the council
High Hedges: complaining to the Council – How to go about making a complaint
Hedge Height and Light Loss – Detailed guidance on assessing the effect of light loss with respect to the legislation
High Hedges Complaints: Prevention and Cure – Detailed guidance on implementing the legislation

You can also contact your local council.

And visit our advice page on Trees and the law.

Frequently Asked Questions

Is the person who plants a hedge responsible for maintaining it?
No, they are not obliged to do so. The exception would be in cases that fall within the High Hedges Act.

What is the minimum height of hedge that the High Hedges Act covers?
2m (6½ft).

What is the definition of a hedge for the purposes of the Act?
A line of 2 or more trees or shrubs, wholly or predominantly evergreen or semi evergreen.

If I think I have a complaint what should I do?
Contact your Local Planning Authority and ask for some information. The Council do not mediate in neighbour disputes.

If a boundary hedge belongs to my neighbour, do I have to offer the hedge trimmings from my side back to my neighbour?
Yes. The same principles apply as for offering overhanging tree branches back. In practise, an unofficial agreement between neighbours is usually in place but this might be worth doing if you have recently moved house.

Can I chuck the hedge trimmings over into my neighbour’s garden?
No. Not unless they have accepted the offer of them and even then they may wish them to be returned in a more reasonable way.

What responsibilities do I have with wildlife and hedges?
The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 applies, deeming that it is an offence to damage or destroy the nest of any wild bird while it is in use or being built. See our page on trimming hedges.

RHS Policy Statements
Where appropriate, hedges are often the best solution for providing gardens with privacy and shelter. They are environmentally beneficial, both for wildlife and as an entirely renewable resource
The RHS recognises that hedges are often not a suitable solution for garden boundaries under modern conditions, and suggests that gardeners consider fences, where long term hedge care and size restriction are not possible
Where hedges are appropriate, gardeners will benefit by choosing subjects that will not grow too large, or require more maintenance than can be given. The RHS recommends that this information be made freely available and has published its guide to hedges on the Internet

Mabelface · 08/06/2024 11:38

Ignoring all the hedges legislation etc, these neighbours are intimidating and harassing your poor mum. Agree with getting a camera and also reporting the issues to the police. Ask your mum to keep a record of any issues too.

TomatoSoz · 08/06/2024 16:14

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 08/06/2024 02:23

Wow, so much conflicting 'legal advice' in one thread, lots of it from people who blatently don't actually know what the law says, and are just making things up. And keep mentioning HAs (housing associations) when the OP clearly stated that her mum was a council tenant and the neigbours owned their house.

I think the OP should ignore all of it (and visit the 'Legal Matters' area at https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/legal_matters if she wants proper advice from people who are more qualified to give it) and take courage from the fact that pretty much everyone agrees that it's the neighbours who are being unreasonable here.

I would second the suggestion of contacting Age UK:
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/services/age-uk-advice-line/
And potentially letting other (more sympathetic|) neighbours know what's going on. Many people would take a dim view of this sort of bullying behaviour.

I also think it would be worth her letting her housing officer know what's going on, as they might be able to help/ refer her to other local support services (incl neighbourhood safety teams, handyperson services, etc - varies from place to place), make sure other agencies are aware of the problem, send a formal warning to the neighbours about their behaviour etc.

Post asset transfer, the tenant almost always has the same rights as a council tenant and in any case my advice would be the same regardless of who the social housing provider is. Is it different where you live? My elderly neighbour called our landlord "the council" when it hasn't been the local authority for nearly 20 years.

carchi · 08/06/2024 20:48

Can you contact the council and ask them for advice ? This is bordering on harassment towards your mum. I know it might be costly but a legal restraining order might be worth considering. I hope that you can get the help you need

iamjustwinginglife · 08/06/2024 22:39

Fit a ring doorbell.

I'd also go round and give them my phone number and tell that all communication needs to come to me and not mum.

IamMoodyBlue · 09/06/2024 17:30

Much excellent advice here. Do please keep detailed, dated written records from now on of every single thing. Add as much detail of all previous incidents.
Then if HA or council can't / won't help start contacting the police every single time. Make sure to emphasise the feelings of intimidation and stress caused.

ThIs is from memory, but it certainly used to be that anyone has the right to cut back growth from a neighbour's garden that goes into their garden. They also have the right to return the cuttings to you.
So you can tell neighbours from hell to cut back such growth if it bothers them, but that much and no more.
The above only applies to the common ( party) boundary, not to hedges along the front/ back of the property.
I wish you success in resolving this horrible situation.

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