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AIBU to think this is electoral fraud?

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CatPancake · 02/06/2024 12:26

I’m outing myself here… but my local MP candidate has released new election graphics….

would you be shocked if I told you he’s not a member of the Labour Party!!!

Have a guess which Party he is campaigning on behalf of please 🙏🏻

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Dakotabluebell · 02/06/2024 13:17

Not everyone can necessarily fully understand the ballot paper. It may not be obvious to everyone. Some people have disabilities that might make it more difficult to understand what they need to do or what they're looking at. I have ADHD and i have to read the ballot paper three or four times before i mark the box to make sure I'm voting for the right person.

It's entirely feasible someone may walk in intending to vote for Labour, see Largan's name and vote for him on the basis of remembering the catchy slogan that has misled them to think he's labour.

But that's the tories for you. Resorting to cheating to win.

but it says the party name next to candidate name, so surely you would look at that if you wanted to vote labour, rather than the candidate name?

If that’s the plan, to confuse people, I just can’t see how it would work?

ilovevinyl · 04/06/2024 17:38

Electoral commission don't care about this

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Clavinova · 05/06/2024 10:09

ilovevinyl
Sure hang on. This was when his girlfriend had to stop him shouting at the man in the pub and after the video ended he got aggressive

Thanks for the screenshots, although unless I am missing something I can't see any mention of Robert Largan punching anyone in the face, only claims that he was shouting? As for claims that the petition was presented in good faith, that's questionable as Deborah Windley is a director of Glossop Labour Club - alongside Kasey Carver who is named in one of my earlier links. Not to mention that the group were recording the MP. The petition was shared on change.org so claims that the signatories were all local constituents is clearly open to question as well.

and this is what he said happened in Tesco in Whaley bridge and then the person who actually was the 'security breach's response

I've just googled the name of the author's 76 year old mother mentioned in the screenshot (he wasn't named himself) and came up with this;

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/26/green-party-candidate-chris-hallam-christine-hallam-suspicion-of-stalking-tory-mp

Green party candidate and his mother arrested on suspicion of stalking Tory MP

Chris and Christine Hallam accused of harassing and stalking Robert Largan, the MP for High Peak in Derbyshire

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/26/green-party-candidate-chris-hallam-christine-hallam-suspicion-of-stalking-tory-mp

Wonkypictureframe · 05/06/2024 10:20

It’s clear he didn’t break the law but the law itself does little to enforce decent behaviour on the part of political candidates (of all parties). It’s a weird gap in what is analogous to consumer law - as the references upthread to the ASA suggest. The Electoral Commission does not ‘not care’ about this. It just has no powers to regulate it.

Consumer law is there to protect people from being exploited or conned by companies. Yes of course people should be able to read which party a candidate is standing for on a ballot form. Spotting the imprint is less easy as the type used is often well below the font size that the RSB recommends is used in publication (but this again is not specified in legislation). But a lot of people with the right to vote do not understand even basics like which person leads which party, let alone have the knowledge to pick apart the double negatives and multi-channel messages that politicians use to confuse people. Where the line is drawn on what an ‘average’ person would be able to understand is extremely difficult to define. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that this example of campaign literature would fall well below the appropriate standard.

CatPancake · 06/06/2024 15:15

Well he’s come out guns blazing suggesting he might sue those who suggested this shitty campaign might have been illegal.

Even my family who support him and the conservatives think he “crossed the line of decency” with his original approach, so these threats are utterly bizarre.

Robert Largan is a career politician and after holiding a position as a government whip I think it’s likely he will pop up again, likely in a safe seat if he loses his current seat in the High Peak.

If anyone finds this post when that arrises - he’s a sneak, petty, deceitful, unhelpful on personal advocacy - but great at politics. His time in the High Peak - after austerity, during Covid - he was no friend of people who actually needed their MP to help them. He voted in line with the government except on one or two policies important to keep his very narrow margin of votes here. He was a government whip so he can’t be as independent minded as he claims. He has a damn nerve.

Sue me you jackal.

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