What can I do about third party harassment

[MulliganOne]

Sorry to bug you all with my issues again but I need abit of advice on what/if anything, i can do here.

I've posted previously about my ex that I have a non mol on who's been turning up at my grandparents. It appears that this isn't reducing and he's now actively seeking out my grandad in public.

My nan is really poorly and has been hospitalised for the last 2 weeks, where she currently remains. All week there's been people calling/coming to my grandad saying 'ex' is still looking for him and wants to talk. However my grandad has happened to bump into him by chance twice and all ex has done is taunt him, says he doesn't like him, etc, etc.

Something has happened yesterday which my grandad won't go into much but he left me a voicemail whilst I was at work saying he had bumped into ex and ex had again taunted him aggressively. My grandad now won't leave the house, has all his doors locked and is basically withdrawn. He's obviously stressed about my gran but this behaviour is unusual and odd as it appears to only have started since I was made aware of yesterday's interaction so I'm wondering if something more than taunting actually happened.

Reporting this is useless as it's not directed at me or affecting me personally so police don't care as its not a breach. I'm really tempted to message his brother to pass on a message but I know this may go against me somehow.

Is there anything I can do to get him to stop? If i was to actively seek out a way to contact him directly or indirectly to ask him to leave my grandparents alone, would this affect me or my order in any way? If so, how?

I have never seen my grandad like this before and even though it could be unrelated, I'm starting to worry

Surely this can be reported to the police as harassment? Don’t try to deal with it yourself, you’d be playing right into his hands.

I think you are wrong not to report this.

Report it. It is harassing you indirectly and is completely relevant to his harassment of you.

What a prince among men - harassing an elderly man.

I hope his cock falls off.

Your poor grandad. He's got enough on his plate without this.

Police.

Reminds me of baby reindeer

Of course you need to report its absolutely directly related your ex is a despicable bully frighting an old man who is now worried about leaving the house.poor man you definitely need to speak to the police beacuse it clearly does affect you,and it's clearly having an effect on a very vulnerable old person

It has been reported multiple times since the incident in my last post both by myself and my grandparents.

The police state firstly because he isn't mentioning or affecting me directly it isn't a breach or anything that can be logged on my record trail of incidents and secondly that because he hasn't actually done anything to harm anyone he isn't actually doing anything wrong apparently. According to them hes simply acting volitile in an intoxicated state and apparently you can not get arrested for words alone that have no physical imlication or proof of being exchanged with intimidation.

This is the same bollocks I had all last year from police before services I was working with started making complaints about their lack of safeguarding. I sought the non mol myself through an independent organisation and it took for that order for them to make 1 arrest with bail restrictions after 15 months and a log of 143 incidences reported to police in that time.

It's not harassment against you.

But it's harassment of your grandad. He's probably committed a criminal offence and a non mol can be produced to stay away from him too.

I voted yabu as this is harassment of your grandad and needs reporting to the police asap - you obv can’t deal with it yourself.

I would seek legal advice beacuse what the police are saying it absolute nonsense op."acting in volatile way whilst under the influence is a public order offense and harrasment is using words that could cause alarm or distress so the police have this completely wrong

I feel for your grandad because he probably comes from that generation where you don't admit something is bothering you, especially being a man.
Everything needs to be videoed, every interaction needs to be logged with the police.
And the best way I would sell it to your grandad is, if he's treating him in that way hell treat someone else the same way too. So your grandad is being a king gentleman for protecting your ex's next victim, because there will be another. I hope you get somewhere.

It's not a breach of the non mol, but it is a fresh case of harassment.

If you've spoken to the police who refuse to act, make a complaint and ask to speak to the Duty Inspector and state you want this resolved as he's using your grandparents to continue the harrassment of you by proxy.

This is clearly escalating behaviour and is a classic sign of stalking. He needs to be arrested for the harassment of your grandparents, they need to make statements and he needs to be interviewed then either RUI with conditions or charged and given bail conditions until court.

He is not randomly harassing your grandad, he's doing it because of his familial tie to you. I really think the police need much better training on stalking, because that's what this is.

I don't have any other suggestions about what you can do but in the link below there is a telephone number for the National Stalking Helpline and other stalking support orgs who may be able to advise you.

www.gov.uk/report-stalker

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/taking-action-about-discrimination/taking-action-about-harassment/

Civil court perhaps op. Get an injunction to stop him harassing grandparents