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Child Maintenance Stress

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Baybeedee · 31/05/2024 18:35

I asked my abusive husband to leave last year. He is a bone idle, scrounging parasite who has probably worked for 4 weeks in the past 12 months. I had the misfortune of his mother living here too. Anyway, he left in Aug 23, his mother left in the Sept and got a rented property 120 miles away from where I live. Our youngest son, aged 17, went with them as he secured a place on a Sports and Development course with all his pals in the area they moved to. Obviously, I didn't want my son to leave, however, I just want him to be happy and this is what he wants. I still see him loads, every other weekend and all the holidays, so at least 150 nights a year. I send my son £50 a week, pay his phone contract, xbox subscription and all train fares when he stays with me. Money is not the issue here, I really want to stress that. My ex husband has made a claim via the CMS and they have just deducted 600quid from my salary. I've had to cancel the xbox subscription, stop sending the 50 a week that was helping my son to become independent and in August I will have to cancel his phone contract when it ends. I've told the CMS I pay all this and that I spend lots of time with my son plus I'm a named contact on his college course. I also speak with him daily and still do 'Mum' things. The CMS asked my ex if I see my boy and if I pay all the above, he said no and they took his word for it, just like that?? I've had to collate a ton of evidence to rebut this but I've just not got any faith in the CMS doing the right thing. It is going to get to the point where I won't be able to afford to see him. Does anyone think I'm being unreasonable and I should just pay the benefit scrounging dole dosser 600quid? I can see me and my daughter ending up losing our home 😞

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Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 20:42

Ponderingwindow · 02/06/2024 20:32

Whenever your son is actually living, you need to be paying for his housing, his food, his clothing, and his general living expenses.

of course you should still be seeing your son. Of course you should be paying for the expenses associated with seeing him. That is what happens when you are the non-residential parent. Those expenses are on top of maintenance.

if your son isn’t living with his father, then petition to pay whoever is actually caring for the child.

We should both be paying for his housing, food, etc, and bear in mind he actually lives with me half of the time. I'm not sure what your point is?

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Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 20:44

Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 20:42

We should both be paying for his housing, food, etc, and bear in mind he actually lives with me half of the time. I'm not sure what your point is?

Are you saying I'm not happy about paying for all my son's needs when he stays with me?? As I said in my first post, money isn't the issue, the issue is my ex lying to the CMS about my son actually staying with me apx half the time so he can have 600 pm off me, therefore having a knock on effect on my ability to provide for my son when he does stay with me

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MoroccoMole · 02/06/2024 20:45

He's not with you half the time, he is majority with the other parent. So some maintenance will need to be paid! Likely not £600 but there will need to be some contribution from you. Xbox passes and mobile phones do not count towards maintenance

Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 20:48

JADS · 02/06/2024 18:54

Do you have him overnight? That's the important part.

I would be reporting your ex for benefit fraud too.

Can you also stop paying for your ex's car?

Edited

I do have him overnight as often as possible. So far 150 nights but there will be more. We want to spend as much time as we can together. The car finance is in my name but he took it when I asked him to leave

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Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 20:52

FawnFrenchieMum · 02/06/2024 19:31

Did you originally live in that area? How come your son had so many friends 120 miles away?

Yes I did but absolutely no way I can live near my ex due to his abuse.

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Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 20:55

MoroccoMole · 02/06/2024 19:34

Have you worked out what you should be paying? As you'll have to pay something in maintenance here

Which is not an issue but the CMS are not taking into account the nights he spends with me

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Ponderingwindow · 02/06/2024 20:55

How is it possible for your son to live 120 miles away and split his time 50:50?

Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 20:57

MoroccoMole · 02/06/2024 20:45

He's not with you half the time, he is majority with the other parent. So some maintenance will need to be paid! Likely not £600 but there will need to be some contribution from you. Xbox passes and mobile phones do not count towards maintenance

In less than 1 year he's stayed 150 nights and counting....

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Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 21:01

Ponderingwindow · 02/06/2024 20:55

How is it possible for your son to live 120 miles away and split his time 50:50?

It's 1 hour on a train

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Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 21:38

FawnFrenchieMum · 02/06/2024 19:30

No one at CMS care whether you see your DS or how many times you speak to him. It’s a computer driven system not someone reviewing how much input you have into his parenting. They enter your salary and how many overnight stays he has and spit out the amount due.
To be paying £600 you must either have ignore it for a long time and have back payments or earn a decent amount.
This is exactly the same for how it works for fathers.

That's the issue they're not taking into account all the overnight stays. Not arsed one bit about contributing to my son but hardly fair that they don't believe he stays with me

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Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 21:41

x2boys · 02/06/2024 18:56

If you were a man writing this yoy would be lambasted and rightly so.

Totally thick you are. Read it all properly

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FawnFrenchieMum · 02/06/2024 21:45

Ponderingwindow · 02/06/2024 20:55

How is it possible for your son to live 120 miles away and split his time 50:50?

Exactly this ^^

The supposed 150 days, was this before the move to college started or the regular cadence now he’s at college?

You also haven’t answered about your earnings and whether it’s back pay or not?

Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 21:52

FawnFrenchieMum · 02/06/2024 21:45

Exactly this ^^

The supposed 150 days, was this before the move to college started or the regular cadence now he’s at college?

You also haven’t answered about your earnings and whether it’s back pay or not?

Because back pay/ what I earn is not the issue or any of anyone else's business. I am happy to pay. I am happy to have my son overnight. It is one hour away on a train. If he wanted to he could go to college from here every single day. The issue is his father lying to the cms that he doesn't come here at all

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toomanytonotice · 02/06/2024 21:56

Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 21:52

Because back pay/ what I earn is not the issue or any of anyone else's business. I am happy to pay. I am happy to have my son overnight. It is one hour away on a train. If he wanted to he could go to college from here every single day. The issue is his father lying to the cms that he doesn't come here at all

120 miles away and one hour on the train🤔

allowing for stops, travel to and from the station etc, that is one fast train.

Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 22:02

toomanytonotice · 02/06/2024 21:56

120 miles away and one hour on the train🤔

allowing for stops, travel to and from the station etc, that is one fast train.

It's direct dimwit, omg some people are so thick. Manchester to London takes just over 2 hrs and it is way before London

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Miley1967 · 02/06/2024 22:05

Baybeedee · 02/06/2024 18:10

I'm not refusing to pay maintenance, the point I'm making is, I still see my son regularly, I still have parental responsibility and am instrumental in his education, development and general welfare, I pay my son money directly every week in addition to paying for a car for my ex to use plus train fares for my son to visit me. My ex is now living with his new gf and my lad is stuck with his grandma, whilst my ex claims CB and UC for my lad. Our daughter (yes his too) is 19.

If he is fraudulently claiming UC and CM for a child who doesn't live with him then you need to report him to DWP and CMS.

Datgal · 02/06/2024 22:10

Why's everyone hung up about the train journey. Fucking weird. I can go to London from Derbyshire in 2 and a half hours. Amazing eh? And my stepson lives away at uni and still manages/wants to go home at the weekend. It's not unheard of.

Gingerkittykat · 02/06/2024 22:21

There must be some way of getting the car back from him.

Theunamedcat · 02/06/2024 22:21

You only owe child maintenance from the date of the claim they can't enforce anything from before

User364837 · 02/06/2024 22:25

Ugh it sounds really frustrating 😞
at least your son is not that far off 18 so it won’t be long until you can just give him money directly instead.

i agree that you need to try and strip the emotion out of it; they’re not judging your parenting they’re just doing admin and all that matters is number of overnight stays.

Starlightstarbright3 · 02/06/2024 22:56

This is the reduction for 150 nights

Child Maintenance Stress
Theunamedcat · 03/06/2024 06:33

Also take your car back it's in your name ffs

FawnFrenchieMum · 03/06/2024 12:19

Wow you’re so rude! You’ve got much less grief then a male would coming on here saying the same things.

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