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Can someone explain chances of 4 kids with blue eyes when one parent is brown eyed?

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Korner · 30/05/2024 19:38

Dsister (blue eyes) has 4 kids with BIL (very dark brown eyes almost black). All 4 kids (7 - 3 yo) have bright blue eyes.

BIL is Sikh Punjabi. Apparently has no history of blue eyes but says some second cousins have green eyes - not common but not unusual. My family all pretty much have blue eyes.

This has to be an anomaly. Just curious as the discussion came up at baby group today. Learned that it should only really be 50% likelihood of blue eyes if one parent has brown eyes and the other
blue.

I have one of each (brown and blue) despite DH being green eyed. I’m also blue eyed.
Genes are very interesting!

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mumto4boys16 · 30/05/2024 21:28

I've got 4 boys.
One blue eyed, 3 brown.
I've got blue eyes, my husband has brown.

I'm also one of 4.
All of us have blue eyes, my mam has blue eyes and my dad has brown

Biscuitsandpizza · 30/05/2024 21:30

WhatNext24 · 30/05/2024 19:50

I don't know about the complexities (per @KrisAkabusi and @Theredoubtableskins ) but if you just assume the basics, which is that blue is the recessive gene, then feasibly the parents' genes could be Bl/Bl (DSis) and Br/Bl (BIL). That means the likelihood of any one child having blue eyes is 50%. All four having blue eyes is highly unlikely (I think like, 5% odds or thereabouts) but still possible.

I am the only redhead in my family across all known lines for several generations. It's a recessive gene so obviously buried somewhere on both sides.

The likelihood is 50/50 each and every time, so each child has a 50/50 chance of blue eyes.

SwingVote · 30/05/2024 21:30

I asked this. Apparently the BB Bb bb recessive dominant etc. is the equivalent of telling a GCSE kid that a cell is a nucleus, cytoplasm and a cell membrane.

In actual fact that’s a complete lie. There’s a lot of shit in a cell. And apparently eye colour is way more complicated than that.

My parents are (dusky grey) blue and green also. My sisters brown and I am dark blue with an orange strike through one.

My partners almond brown. My little boys eyes are almost jet black.

rach2713 · 30/05/2024 21:31

I have blue eyes husband has brown we have 4 kids 3 with blue eyes but all different types of blue and one with brown eyes..

MushMonster · 30/05/2024 21:32

Your BIL has a green/ blue eyes gene and one dark brown.
Your DS two blue eyes genes.
Chances are then 50% for blue and 50% dark brown for each child.
They just happened to have all kids in the blue lot.

Changingmynameyetagain · 30/05/2024 21:37

I’m ginger with brown eyes, DH is brunette with blue eyes.
We have 1 brunette with hazel eyes, 1 brunette with blue eyes and 1 blond with grey/blue eyes.

MushMonster · 30/05/2024 21:40

Brown, hazel eyes are pigments in the iris.
But blue/ green/ grey have almost no pigment. The colour comes mostly from how the iris reflects light around.
The pigment is actually melanin, so brown in itself.
We all know people whose eye colour changes with the lighting conditions.
Also, it is common for people that genetically should have green eyes to appear brown, or even change colour through life, have a green/ brown combination in the eyes.

Zanatdy · 30/05/2024 21:42

Perfectly possible. My DD has blue eyes - she is white / Asian. DS has brown eyes.

Elisheva · 30/05/2024 21:44

Jellycats4life · 30/05/2024 21:21

This isn’t how eye colour genetics works though, as explained by @KrisAkabusi

It’s not as simple as brown trumps blue.

No, I know. But it’s a simple way to explain why someone with brown eyes might carry a blue gene.

Bigsigh24 · 30/05/2024 22:33

Me brown eyes , DH blue, both sons blue , I also thought brown would ‘win’

BeanBeliever · 30/05/2024 22:39

Korner · 30/05/2024 20:15

So the fact that BIL says no one in his family have blue eyes is because brown is dominant?

Why has there been no other expression of blue on BILs family if he has the blue gene?

Edited

Punjabi people have mixed heritage as there have been various groups in the region, notably Alexander the Great conquered the region (and his army seem to have left their genetic heritage!)

I am Punjabi myself and have a large family (many are very white & green eyed despite 100% Punjabi origins).

I also know many mixed Punjabi/White families. Blue eyes and very white skin not very unusual for mixed Punjabi/Caucasian kids (4 in same family less usual) : sometimes this changes as kids grow older too

glittereyelash · 30/05/2024 22:40

Genetics are a crazy thing. My aunt and uncle are both average heights (5ft 6 and 5ft 10) with straight brown hair and green eyes.
Child one: 6ft 5 brown hair, green eyes, child two: 6ft curly ginger hair, blue eyes,
Child three: 5ft 1 blond hair, green eyes
Child four: 5ft 5 Black hair, brown eyes
Child five: 6ft 2 curly blond-brown hair, brown eyes.

Tryingtoconceivenumber2 · 30/05/2024 23:05

We both have brown eyes, both DDs have blue eyes. I was very surprised by this x

Bobloblaw84 · 30/05/2024 23:11

Elisheva · 30/05/2024 19:42

It’s not 50/50 because blue is a recessive gene.

If one parent has blue eyes then yes it is 50/50.

Bobloblaw84 · 30/05/2024 23:14

The odds of any one child having blue eyes are also completely independent from the eye colours of the other children. Each child has the same odds.

caringcarer · 30/05/2024 23:52

2 of my nephew's were born with blue eyes but within a week or 2 their eyes had somehow turned to brown. My sister said one DC went to sleep with blue eyes one morning and by dinner time his eyes were light brown. The next day they had turned darker brown. It's amazing.

Jentefieldroamer · 31/05/2024 00:05

My husband had blue eyes, blond hair. I have brown wavy hair, hazel eyes. All 4 of our children have brown wavy hair, hazel eyes. Granddaughters also brown wavy hair, hazel eyes. My genes are more dominant.

asterel · 31/05/2024 00:07

The dominant-recessive model of eye genetics is now very outdated. More than 16 genes can affect eye colour, including occasionally randomly switching off of the relevant genes for brown eyes (thus resulting in blue eyes) even when neither parent has any alleles for blue at all.

It’s all quite fascinating. I have very blue eyes; DD’s dad has hazel. DD had very blue eyes up until she was about eight years old, and now they have turned very green! (My mother has green eyes, interestingly.)

asterel · 31/05/2024 00:13

Korner · 30/05/2024 20:15

So the fact that BIL says no one in his family have blue eyes is because brown is dominant?

Why has there been no other expression of blue on BILs family if he has the blue gene?

Edited

Even if there is no tendency for blue in the genes a child inherits, the genes that control for melanin in the eye can sometimes, as with any genetic mutation, quite randomly be switched off, resulting in a child without melanin (and thus blue or light eyes).

Parkmama · 31/05/2024 00:21

My DD has blue eyes and red hair, what are the chances of this combination?! This seems unique?

Marmaladelover · 31/05/2024 00:22

No one in my dh family has brown eyes except his brother who has brown . Going back to aunts, uncles grandparents - all blue . We don’t think he and his brother have the same father .
Are we right?

asterel · 31/05/2024 00:22

Oh and I have a brown streak in one of my eyes (otherwise very blue!) - caused by a random mutation in the melanin-producing cells just in that patch. Neither of my parents have any brown in their eyes (green and blue). Flecks or random patches of brown or yellow in blue eyes are also very common.

asterel · 31/05/2024 00:24

Parkmama · 31/05/2024 00:21

My DD has blue eyes and red hair, what are the chances of this combination?! This seems unique?

Very common in redheads/those of Celtic heritage, no? It’s more unusual IME for redheads to have brown eyes, at least in the U.K. and Ireland.

42ndchance · 31/05/2024 00:32

Both dc have sky blue eyes.

I have blue eyes and DH has very dark brown eyes, almost black.

The whole extended family did an ancestry dna test a while back for fun (so the dc aren't the milkmans 🤣). It turns out that DH actually has some iceland/Norway dna in there somewhere!

My DM was adamant that my dc would have blue eyes, DH was most disgruntled that he lost the bet twice.

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