Page 3 | Diane Abbott - to stand or not?

Onemoreterm · 2024-05-30T12:30:07+00:00

According to some reports she was to make an announcement about not standing in next election. YNBU - let her stand. She held a majority in last election and will do so again. Has unions supporting her. AIBU - she is a liability. Time for someone younger

TheShellBeach · 30/05/2024 15:50

People with diabetes are not incapable FGS.

Theresa May is an insulin dependent diabetic and she was PM.

May didn't stop being PM because of her diabetes.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 30/05/2024 16:10

TheShellBeach · 30/05/2024 15:50

People with diabetes are not incapable FGS.

Theresa May is an insulin dependent diabetic and she was PM.

May didn't stop being PM because of her diabetes.

Depends how it impacts you though. I know a woman who had diabetes. She died. They couldn’t get it under control properly. She lost a huge amount of weight, couldn’t walk properly, her eyesight was affected. I knew of someone else who suffered mental health issues as a result of diabetes.

Fizzib · 30/05/2024 16:11

Anniewestest · 30/05/2024 13:46

Really?

you don’t think a masters from Cambridge, being a renowned journalist, award winning human rights advocate, founder and experienced politician makes her able to be trusted with political decisions?

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This exactly!

ladybirdsanchez · 30/05/2024 16:13

She should retire with dignity. She's 70 years old. There would be no shame in doing so. She was the first black woman MP. In time, she will be remembered as a trailblazer and an icon.

Piggywaspushed · 30/05/2024 16:14

I think plenty of voters are voting specifically for her. She has, I believe, the largest majority in Parliament.

Fizzib · 30/05/2024 16:25

She needs to stop letting Keir Starmer mess her around , she has massive support! Stand as an independent and let the constituents vote for her and then retire after a few years (or whenever she wants )with her integrity and conscience in tact and continue to speak out for what she believes. Her principles and beliefs don’t align with the current leadership. Time to move on!

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7j2_-lor8s/?igsh=dHJpZDV5dW95MGtl

Whenwillitgetwarm · 30/05/2024 16:28

Niceplaces · 30/05/2024 15:45

I mean given the abuse she’s faced as an MP, saying that Irish, Jewish and Romany Gypsy’s, suffer prejudice but not racism, isn’t that offensive. She was speaking from her own perspective in regard to being a visible minority in the public eye and comparing that to how she sees people from other groups treated. If all those other groups, had fair skin, an English accent and wore an England top, they’d be able to walk freely through the middle of a Britain First rally unmolested. She experiences visceral hate every day and this will shape her perspective

On this I disagree. There are many, and I am one of them, who find this very offensive. But more to the point, what she has said is counter to the law in the UK where Irish, Jewish and Romany Gypsy's do come under the protected characteristic of race. Having an MP, whose job it is to make and change laws, arguing publicly that certain groups of people do not count as races who can experience racism, is actually quite a big deal in that context.

Fair enough and apologies, didn’t mean to cause offence at all. I know people from all of those communities and know they have faced discrimination and racism as they have protected characteristics.

I probably phrased it incorrectly but was trying to say her comments were shaped by her own experiences which have been horrific. If everyday your social media and the newspapers are full of racist tropes, misogynoir, and you’re treated far worse for mistakes than any other MP, who doesn’t look like you, it would be reasonable to conclude that racism is far worse for a visible minority than others who can more easily ‘pass’ as the majority.

Ed Milliband was treated badly with the bacon sandwich aka ‘he’s Jewish’ stuff in the papers and online which is shit. Nevertheless the level of hate and death threats DA gets is unreal. There is no way your views of the world would not be shaped if you were on the receiving end of that.

Nevertheless the way I tried to explain it before was clumsy and I apologise.

Fizzib · 30/05/2024 16:30

Whenwillitgetwarm · 30/05/2024 16:28

Fair enough and apologies, didn’t mean to cause offence at all. I know people from all of those communities and know they have faced discrimination and racism as they have protected characteristics.

I probably phrased it incorrectly but was trying to say her comments were shaped by her own experiences which have been horrific. If everyday your social media and the newspapers are full of racist tropes, misogynoir, and you’re treated far worse for mistakes than any other MP, who doesn’t look like you, it would be reasonable to conclude that racism is far worse for a visible minority than others who can more easily ‘pass’ as the majority.

Ed Milliband was treated badly with the bacon sandwich aka ‘he’s Jewish’ stuff in the papers and online which is shit. Nevertheless the level of hate and death threats DA gets is unreal. There is no way your views of the world would not be shaped if you were on the receiving end of that.

Nevertheless the way I tried to explain it before was clumsy and I apologise.

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I completely agree with this and your original comment.

VolvoFan · 30/05/2024 16:31

She's been a politician longer than I've been alive. She doesn't have a degenerative neurological disorder like, say, Joe Biden, she's just incompetent. And she's 70. She's a career politician like Jeremy Corbyn, therefore she's not had anything resembling a real job and can't relate to the little people living real life.

RedToothBrush · 30/05/2024 18:09

TheShellBeach · 30/05/2024 15:50

People with diabetes are not incapable FGS.

Theresa May is an insulin dependent diabetic and she was PM.

May didn't stop being PM because of her diabetes.

May wasn't doing speeches slurring her speech and with shakes like that.

If she had, questions over her health would have been raised for sure.

The point is if it is diabetes, the difference is management and that would give cause for concern.

AhNowTed · 31/05/2024 08:44

Whenwillitgetwarm · 30/05/2024 14:54

She’s clearly unwell. Maybe her diabetes isn’t under control. However, she’s been treated appallingly. She has given so much and faced so much hate. This is not the way to treat someone who’s been in the party this long, regardless of whether she’s on the ‘wrong wing’.

Also the comments she made that got her thrown out, are nothing close to some of the stuff currently serving MPs have said.

I mean given the abuse she’s faced as an MP, saying that Irish, Jewish and Romany Gypsy’s, suffer prejudice but not racism, isn’t that offensive. She was speaking from her own perspective in regard to being a visible minority in the public eye and comparing that to how she sees people from other groups treated. If all those other groups, had fair skin, an English accent and wore an England top, they’d be able to walk freely through the middle of a Britain First rally unmolested. She experiences visceral hate every day and this will shape her perspective.

I think she’s unwell and should retire, but her treatment is out of order. Older women with a voice should clearly just skink off and die somewhere quietly.

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I agree with you.

I'm white Irish, and have lived in the UK for almost 40 years. The idea that I suffer the same prejudice or racism as Diane Abbot or any other black person is frankly ludicrous.

Plainly, if Stephen Lawrence was white Irish, he'd have got on that bus and would be alive today.

Also, the double standards are glaring. A white bloke can call black people piccaninnies and be elected PM. Diane says there is in effect (my words not hers) a scale of prejudice and she is vilified.