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Health Anxiety

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Askinga · 28/05/2024 10:29

AIBU to think the reason my health anxiety has gotten worse over the last few years is because of the huge increase in news articles constantly bombarding us with horror stories? I can't scroll down a page without 'mother of 3, 28, terminal' it's tragic and depressing. Is it really 'news'? I don't necessarily think so.

Do you think these illnesses at early ages have been increasing or are we just more informed about it now? I do see that colon cancer has gone up which is unsurprising as diets have got a lot worse with processed foods etc. Has the Covid vaccine got anything to do with it?

OP posts:
Thistoo2023 · 28/05/2024 15:42

Askinga · 28/05/2024 14:56

In relation to the vaccine has nothing to do with it, Dr John Campbell in particular is rather convincing in suggesting otherwise, he goes through excess deaths, statistics, available data from other countries and explains it quite thoroughly. There does seem to be a link between what they are calling turbo cancers, blood clots and an increase in heart conditions.

That would be NURSE John Campbell (he’s not a medical Dr). A grifter who’s making a tidy profit in spreading Covid misinformation. Please seek out better sources of info. I currently have cancer. I never had health anxiety regarding myself but I had it quite severely with respect to family members etc. When the inevitable happened and they became ill, I thought how futile to have wasted all that time worrying when they were still healthy. I hope you manage to get it under control x

YouOKHun · 28/05/2024 21:08

Askinga · 28/05/2024 15:14

I've practiced CBT for years. Maybe it just all boils down to a fear of death ultimately, which is a difficult one to treat because of the inevitability of it.

So much if HA is trying to gain certainty over one’s own health to ward off a catastrophe but in my experience the fear of death isn’t about death itself or the chances of it happening but about the meaning it has for the individual; loss, losing control, being a burden, causing sadness, not coping, not being around for children; whatever the meaning is.

In my experience HA is a tough one to shift because the preoccupation shifts to different illnesses and symptoms, but the process remains largely the same with key things that keep it going:

checking: (usually with a particular focus such as breast cancer for example), visual checking of body in the mirror, checking using hands), internal body scanning, over-monitoring using smart watches, BP machines etc. Checking via Google - news articles, scientific papers, stories on social media.

Reassurance seeking: asking family and friends, GP visits, expensive private testing, googling symptoms. Perhaps this thread is an exercise in reassurance seeking?

Safety behaviours: designed to reduce risk of illness in the future, these tend to be “preventative” behaviours – taking a vitamin supplement daily when there is no medical reason to do so, resting or lying down for long periods to prevent illness, controlling functions such as swallowing or breathing, carrying medical equipment “just in case”, checking where the nearest hospital is when travelling, carrying water at all times, Googling health related information for symptoms you don’t have to “be informed”. carrying water “in case I get ill”, never leaving home without smart watch, identifying local hospitals as a first priority when visiting a new location for example.

Avoidance: ill people, not visiting seriously ill relatives even though they are important to you, avoidance of routine appointments, avoidance of raising heart rate, : avoiding strenuous physical activity, avoiding situations which activate health rumination and anxiety such as exposure to media material about illness or people who are ill, avoiding thinking about illness by distraction, avoiding medical settings.

I know you’ve been doing CBT @Askinga but it may be worth having a refresher as even when things have improved sometimes people subtly partake in the things that keep HA going and it sometimes helps to have someone pinpoint those subtle behaviours that keep the problem going at some level.

There is a lot of catastrophising in the media and lots of polarised positions after Covid. Lots of scare-mongering, lots of misinterpretation of data. Click bait. Seek and you shall find! There is the problem of algorithms giving you more of the same. But it’s a diet we are all fed and ultimately whether it causes real distress or not is to do with how well we tolerate uncertainty, how we interpret symptoms and health information and what we do to manage that distress which may not be as helpful as it seems in the short term.

Have you read Overcoming Health Anxiety @Askinga? It’s a good aide memoire if you’ve already done CBT.

HumanbyDesign · 28/05/2024 21:19

You're potentially going to think I'm nuts for this but I'd totally recommend taking lions mane supplement.

I have had absolutely debilitating health anxiety for around 18 months following the death of three close family members - two from cancer - in a short period; I started taking lions mane (from a local producer so short chain quality product) for a different reason - undiagnosed ADHD symptoms - but the overwhelmingly positive additional outcome has been a reduction to almost zero of my health anxiety. I am overjoyed to say the least!!

Totally recommend - there has also been independent research carried out which supports this outcome so it's not just me! Happy to recommend my local producer in a DM 😊

Letsbe · 28/05/2024 21:49

I appreaciate what you are saying but thinks its misperception. When I was a child people died in their sleep sometimes more people had fatal heart attacks.

We now live long enough to get more cancers. Tests have improved so people know they are ill.

Sapphire387 · 28/05/2024 21:54

YouOKHun · 28/05/2024 21:08

So much if HA is trying to gain certainty over one’s own health to ward off a catastrophe but in my experience the fear of death isn’t about death itself or the chances of it happening but about the meaning it has for the individual; loss, losing control, being a burden, causing sadness, not coping, not being around for children; whatever the meaning is.

In my experience HA is a tough one to shift because the preoccupation shifts to different illnesses and symptoms, but the process remains largely the same with key things that keep it going:

checking: (usually with a particular focus such as breast cancer for example), visual checking of body in the mirror, checking using hands), internal body scanning, over-monitoring using smart watches, BP machines etc. Checking via Google - news articles, scientific papers, stories on social media.

Reassurance seeking: asking family and friends, GP visits, expensive private testing, googling symptoms. Perhaps this thread is an exercise in reassurance seeking?

Safety behaviours: designed to reduce risk of illness in the future, these tend to be “preventative” behaviours – taking a vitamin supplement daily when there is no medical reason to do so, resting or lying down for long periods to prevent illness, controlling functions such as swallowing or breathing, carrying medical equipment “just in case”, checking where the nearest hospital is when travelling, carrying water at all times, Googling health related information for symptoms you don’t have to “be informed”. carrying water “in case I get ill”, never leaving home without smart watch, identifying local hospitals as a first priority when visiting a new location for example.

Avoidance: ill people, not visiting seriously ill relatives even though they are important to you, avoidance of routine appointments, avoidance of raising heart rate, : avoiding strenuous physical activity, avoiding situations which activate health rumination and anxiety such as exposure to media material about illness or people who are ill, avoiding thinking about illness by distraction, avoiding medical settings.

I know you’ve been doing CBT @Askinga but it may be worth having a refresher as even when things have improved sometimes people subtly partake in the things that keep HA going and it sometimes helps to have someone pinpoint those subtle behaviours that keep the problem going at some level.

There is a lot of catastrophising in the media and lots of polarised positions after Covid. Lots of scare-mongering, lots of misinterpretation of data. Click bait. Seek and you shall find! There is the problem of algorithms giving you more of the same. But it’s a diet we are all fed and ultimately whether it causes real distress or not is to do with how well we tolerate uncertainty, how we interpret symptoms and health information and what we do to manage that distress which may not be as helpful as it seems in the short term.

Have you read Overcoming Health Anxiety @Askinga? It’s a good aide memoire if you’ve already done CBT.

As a health anxiety sufferer too, thank you so much for this post. It is really helpful, genuinely.

Sapphire387 · 28/05/2024 21:57

HumanbyDesign · 28/05/2024 21:19

You're potentially going to think I'm nuts for this but I'd totally recommend taking lions mane supplement.

I have had absolutely debilitating health anxiety for around 18 months following the death of three close family members - two from cancer - in a short period; I started taking lions mane (from a local producer so short chain quality product) for a different reason - undiagnosed ADHD symptoms - but the overwhelmingly positive additional outcome has been a reduction to almost zero of my health anxiety. I am overjoyed to say the least!!

Totally recommend - there has also been independent research carried out which supports this outcome so it's not just me! Happy to recommend my local producer in a DM 😊

Hi, please could you DM me about this?

HumanbyDesign · 28/05/2024 22:20

Sapphire387 · 28/05/2024 21:57

Hi, please could you DM me about this?

Have sent you a message 😊

Worridoncemore · 29/05/2024 07:34

I think there's definitely more in the media about cancer in recent years such as the well intentioned awareness campaigns, cancer research ads etc which can be triggering to us HA sufferers.

Of course the more you Google & click on these stories, the more the algorithm will show you.

There's also a lot in the media about people being unable to see GPs and the shit state of the NHS, especially since Covid, causing late diagnosis which is a reality not scaremongering. This definitely contributed to my HA.

YANBU

RosaMayBillinghurst · 29/05/2024 08:22

OP: please do not follow my links - other than the first - if you will start worrying because you’re reading detailed information about health conditions. Trustworthy information, though, comes from places like the British Heart Foundation; not a random anti-vaxxer with a convincing spiel.

There’s no such thing as “turbo-cancer”. Anyone referencing that - unless as an example of arrant nonsense or similar - shouldn’t be trusted as a source of health information OP. Moreover, it’s Covid that causes clots, not the vaccinations. It is true that blood clots were an incredibly rare side effect of the Astra Zeneca and Johnson & Johnson jabs; but it’s Covid itself that causes clots galore (they think via factor v disruption). And yes, Covid can damage the heart.

As for why it’s seemingly everywhere, that’s multifactorial. We’ve got lots better at diagnosing cancers; people are more open about discussing their health; there are now multiple social media & fundraising platforms; & 24 hour media has a lot of time & space to fill. You will also notice it more if you’re preoccupied by it - your subconscious will jump on every little thing.

Orangesandlemons77 · 29/05/2024 08:44

YouOKHun · 28/05/2024 21:08

So much if HA is trying to gain certainty over one’s own health to ward off a catastrophe but in my experience the fear of death isn’t about death itself or the chances of it happening but about the meaning it has for the individual; loss, losing control, being a burden, causing sadness, not coping, not being around for children; whatever the meaning is.

In my experience HA is a tough one to shift because the preoccupation shifts to different illnesses and symptoms, but the process remains largely the same with key things that keep it going:

checking: (usually with a particular focus such as breast cancer for example), visual checking of body in the mirror, checking using hands), internal body scanning, over-monitoring using smart watches, BP machines etc. Checking via Google - news articles, scientific papers, stories on social media.

Reassurance seeking: asking family and friends, GP visits, expensive private testing, googling symptoms. Perhaps this thread is an exercise in reassurance seeking?

Safety behaviours: designed to reduce risk of illness in the future, these tend to be “preventative” behaviours – taking a vitamin supplement daily when there is no medical reason to do so, resting or lying down for long periods to prevent illness, controlling functions such as swallowing or breathing, carrying medical equipment “just in case”, checking where the nearest hospital is when travelling, carrying water at all times, Googling health related information for symptoms you don’t have to “be informed”. carrying water “in case I get ill”, never leaving home without smart watch, identifying local hospitals as a first priority when visiting a new location for example.

Avoidance: ill people, not visiting seriously ill relatives even though they are important to you, avoidance of routine appointments, avoidance of raising heart rate, : avoiding strenuous physical activity, avoiding situations which activate health rumination and anxiety such as exposure to media material about illness or people who are ill, avoiding thinking about illness by distraction, avoiding medical settings.

I know you’ve been doing CBT @Askinga but it may be worth having a refresher as even when things have improved sometimes people subtly partake in the things that keep HA going and it sometimes helps to have someone pinpoint those subtle behaviours that keep the problem going at some level.

There is a lot of catastrophising in the media and lots of polarised positions after Covid. Lots of scare-mongering, lots of misinterpretation of data. Click bait. Seek and you shall find! There is the problem of algorithms giving you more of the same. But it’s a diet we are all fed and ultimately whether it causes real distress or not is to do with how well we tolerate uncertainty, how we interpret symptoms and health information and what we do to manage that distress which may not be as helpful as it seems in the short term.

Have you read Overcoming Health Anxiety @Askinga? It’s a good aide memoire if you’ve already done CBT.

Such a helpful post, thank you. It's debilitating. I'm going through some tests at the moment and mine is spiralling and I am trying hard not to panic.

Mine started after something rare a few years back, which was misdiagnosed and they kept telling me 'you seem young and healthy' before rushing me in for emergency surgery. It seems to have triggered it. I never used to be like it

I wonder if childbirth might trigger it too.

iloveshetlandponies · 29/05/2024 08:49

Yanbu

My health anxiety was awful until fairly recently when I was put on low dose sertraline

It's like a fog has been lifted and I can live now without living in fear every day which is no way to live x

SpringerFall · 29/05/2024 08:51

People don't have to have to seek these articles out or do Dr Google searches

ssd · 29/05/2024 08:57

Brilliant post @YouOKHun

Askinga · 29/05/2024 11:11

HumanbyDesign · 28/05/2024 21:19

You're potentially going to think I'm nuts for this but I'd totally recommend taking lions mane supplement.

I have had absolutely debilitating health anxiety for around 18 months following the death of three close family members - two from cancer - in a short period; I started taking lions mane (from a local producer so short chain quality product) for a different reason - undiagnosed ADHD symptoms - but the overwhelmingly positive additional outcome has been a reduction to almost zero of my health anxiety. I am overjoyed to say the least!!

Totally recommend - there has also been independent research carried out which supports this outcome so it's not just me! Happy to recommend my local producer in a DM 😊

Yes please.

OP posts:
AllProperTeaIsTheft · 29/05/2024 11:57

Orangesandlemons77 · 29/05/2024 08:44

Such a helpful post, thank you. It's debilitating. I'm going through some tests at the moment and mine is spiralling and I am trying hard not to panic.

Mine started after something rare a few years back, which was misdiagnosed and they kept telling me 'you seem young and healthy' before rushing me in for emergency surgery. It seems to have triggered it. I never used to be like it

I wonder if childbirth might trigger it too.

Mine started after childbirth, triggered by ds having to have surgery at 3 days old and me having such high bp that they wouldn't even let me walk from my ward to his ward to feed him.

I had panic attacks and was terrified I was going to drop dead of a stroke or a heart attack at any moment (which wasn't that unlikely given my bp).I never sought medical help for the HA at the time but gradually got better by exercising, meditation and just time. I still display some of the behaviours you describe though,@YouOKHun . Perimenopause was making the anxiety begin to raise its head again recently, but I've found that a Well Woman 50+ supplement and ashwagandha have pretty much totally stopped it.

Orangesandlemons77 · 29/05/2024 14:36

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 29/05/2024 11:57

Mine started after childbirth, triggered by ds having to have surgery at 3 days old and me having such high bp that they wouldn't even let me walk from my ward to his ward to feed him.

I had panic attacks and was terrified I was going to drop dead of a stroke or a heart attack at any moment (which wasn't that unlikely given my bp).I never sought medical help for the HA at the time but gradually got better by exercising, meditation and just time. I still display some of the behaviours you describe though,@YouOKHun . Perimenopause was making the anxiety begin to raise its head again recently, but I've found that a Well Woman 50+ supplement and ashwagandha have pretty much totally stopped it.

I'm also finding that with perimenopause, sorry to hear about that after the birth. I think it brings a new awareness of our mortality going through stuff like that.

abouttoturn50 · 14/07/2024 21:05

HumanbyDesign · 28/05/2024 21:19

You're potentially going to think I'm nuts for this but I'd totally recommend taking lions mane supplement.

I have had absolutely debilitating health anxiety for around 18 months following the death of three close family members - two from cancer - in a short period; I started taking lions mane (from a local producer so short chain quality product) for a different reason - undiagnosed ADHD symptoms - but the overwhelmingly positive additional outcome has been a reduction to almost zero of my health anxiety. I am overjoyed to say the least!!

Totally recommend - there has also been independent research carried out which supports this outcome so it's not just me! Happy to recommend my local producer in a DM 😊

@HumanbyDesign could you please send me details too? 😊

BoobyDazzler · 14/07/2024 21:11

I say this as a former HA sufferer… the ONLY way to deal with it is to fuck off Dr Google, Kiss goodbye to reading drama porn (daily mail, cheapo woman’s mags) and unsubscribe to the health/terminal illness/cancer forums etc etc.

It’s you feeding it, not what you choose to consume.

Worridoncemore · 15/07/2024 09:08

BoobyDazzler · 14/07/2024 21:11

I say this as a former HA sufferer… the ONLY way to deal with it is to fuck off Dr Google, Kiss goodbye to reading drama porn (daily mail, cheapo woman’s mags) and unsubscribe to the health/terminal illness/cancer forums etc etc.

It’s you feeding it, not what you choose to consume.

This is very good advice, shame I struggle to follow it! I have gone through periods when I've stopped doing it and the anxiety subsides for sure. However, as soon as a new worry pops up I eventually cave in and fall down the rabbit hole again 😔

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