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Not wanting my Dad to hold the baby?

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KellyJellyfish · 27/05/2024 00:24

My DS is 5 months old, my parents (Mum especially) have been amazing support for me, and we go and stay with them once a week for a bit of company and a break.

I love my Dad, and he clearly adores DS. But last year he had a stroke, irritatingly the hospital really cocked up and sent him home, so he never received treatment, in fact we only found out he suffered a stroke quite recently during a scan for something else. The damage is to the part of the brain that controls coordination and movement. You wouldn’t know anything was wrong if you met him, but Mum’s noticed stuff (and not told me, presumably so I wouldn’t worry).

I asked about it and he just said he’s clumsy, Mum said he stumbles a bit sometimes. But recently something happened that made me realise the reality is much worse than what they both say.

He was carrying the baby in the car seat into my house, I have a large step outside the door (2 paving slabs wide and about 7 inches tall), I was about a minute behind him as I was getting the pram out the boot. I was walking up to the gate when I suddenly heard a huge slamming sound followed by the baby crying hysterically. I dumped the pram on the ground, opened the gate and saw Dad on the floor in the doorway and the car seat next to him (right way up luckily). I asked what happened and he said he tripped on the step (I figured he either slipped or didn’t lift his leg high enough or something).

He tried to stand up but I told him to stay there while I got the baby inside (car seat was blocking the door, so highly likely he’d instantly trip over it again), went back out and had to pick him off the floor as he couldn’t stand himself.

He’s cut his hand, had a nasty graze on his shin and bruised his side, DS was fine luckily.

Now here’s where I’m getting concerned about the future…

After he left I reviewed the Ring cameras footage, outside doorbell didn’t capture much except sound, but we have a second camera in the hall (keeps an eye on the pets when we’re out) and that got a good view of what happened from the inside.

It looked like he walked up to the door at a brisk pace, and didn’t even attempt to lift his leg for the step, as if it wasn’t there entirely. Bearing in mind he walks over this step every week, and it’s massive, 2 paving slabs wide, so impossible to miss. It was like he was actually blind.

It gets worse, as he fell he made no effort with his hands. He neither put out a hand to protect himself, or use the other to keep hold of the car seat (it actually landed on its side, he just corrected it after he’d fallen before I got there), and he seemed to just lay there in shock until I arrived and helped him.

Not only did his brain fail to tell him about the step, it also failed to engage his reflexes as he fell.

So now I’m incredibly worried, if he’d been holding the baby (no car seat) the likelihood of a fatal accident or brain damage for the baby was very high, and the reason he bruised his side is because he partially landed on the car seat handle and that stopped his fall from being any worse, without the seat he likely would have hit his own head on the concrete which could very well have caused him brain damage or worse given his previous stroke.

So now I’m in a dilemma. I’ve kitted out my house as much as I can with extra safety features (hazard tape on all steps, extra hand rail, extra light etc). I’ve also stopped Dad from carrying the car seat, but really I’m nervous about him holding the baby at all (except when sitting).

I have no doubt he’d be very hurt, as it means he can no longer burp him, change or bathe him, soothe him (he’s comforted by movement) or show him things (Dad enjoys carrying him around the garden), and definitely not carrying him up or down the stairs which means on the days him and Mum have DS Dad is now pretty much unable to help out at all (beyond having him on the sofa) which is horrible for him and puts a lot of pressure on Mum.

I don’t know what to do, I don’t know if I’m being unreasonable or just trying to protect them both.

OP posts:
KellyJellyfish · 27/05/2024 08:04

RampantKrampus · 27/05/2024 08:01

Do you have a sling? Could your dad maybe carry DS in the sling with someone close by in case he stumbles? Obviously on even ground!

I do but I think this would be worse, it’s far too fiddly to put on and I wouldn’t trust him to know how to check the baby’s position, plus no protection if he falls and lands on the baby. So no, I wouldn’t ever let him wear a harness or sling

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LaLoba · 27/05/2024 08:05

RampantKrampus · 27/05/2024 08:01

Do you have a sling? Could your dad maybe carry DS in the sling with someone close by in case he stumbles? Obviously on even ground!

Who is this superhuman who can safely catch a grown man carrying a baby when he suddenly stumbles? It’s not safe!

KellyJellyfish · 27/05/2024 08:07

Thanks everyone who replied about the stroke. The reason he had the brain scan was for headaches and because of his previous history with a head injury they rushed him through for a scan, that’s where they found evidence of old damage from a stroke.

TBH I know nothing about strokes, only that they require urgent treatment, which obviously he didn’t get. Can he start therapy over a year later? I thought it would be too late. I’m annoyed the neurologist and his GP haven’t suggested that as an option, probably because when asked my parents just say ‘oh he’s a bit clumsy’, perhaps I should give them the footage.

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AnnaMagnani · 27/05/2024 08:16

GP would be perfectly able to refer your dad to OT and Physio now.

OrderOfTheKookaburra · 27/05/2024 08:18

My DF had a stroke and didn't have 'treatment' afterwards, even though he was in the hospital. He did have therapy though. One of the things he suffered from was 'peripheral blindness', whereby the brain simply did not interpret what his eyes saw on the periphery on his RHS. It wore off to an extent, but there was always a weakness to that side. His stroke was obvious because it happened in the language centre so he went from speaking proper words to nonsense and not knowing he wasn't speaking properly, and then a chunk of language just went, and had to be relearned.

After 2 weeks the majority of the swelling will have gone down, so they can assess the damage which I think is where you're at. The brain can make new pathways to information etc around the damaged area with therapy. So it's not too late to get some sort of therapy. My DF continued to improve even years later, but it was slow going and he never fully got better. His stroke was as big as you can get without dying though, and it sounds like your DFs might be smaller.

Rosebel · 27/05/2024 08:20

We had a very similar situation where my dad stumbled luckily didn't quite fall when carrying DS.
I didn't let him walk around carrying DS after that.
But DS is 3 now and has a fantastic relationship with his grandad. He loves playing with him or being read to. They garden together.
Just wanted to reassure you that your DS can still have a brilliant bond with your dad even if he can't do loads with him right now.

Nottherealslimshady · 27/05/2024 08:21

PILs weren't allowed to hold DS unless they were sitting becuase they weren't stable on their feet. Risk vs benefit. Your dad will be upset. But your baby could be killed by him falling while holding them. Absolutely don't let him baby wear, his weight would crush the baby.

I'd definitely buy a new car seat "might he ok" is not good enough for something that saves your baby's life .

CheeseWisely · 27/05/2024 08:31

This sounds difficult OP. My MIL had a severe stroke some years ago so her level of interaction with our imminent DC will be limited (she walks with a stick herself and has reduced movement in one arm so couldn't carry them around at all).

What I would say is that still after 5 years she has regularly physical therapy that is always improving her range of mobility and balance. She's got much better at stairs over the past year and can hop now (if the mood takes her!) which was impossible before. It's definitely worth your Dad exploring physical therapy options.

yespleasetococoa · 27/05/2024 08:47

However upset your parents may be by the conversation you need to have with them it is nothing to how you and they will feel if anything else happens to your baby. Thank goodness your baby was in the car seat and not being carried - I would do anything to protect my grandchildren and if that meant I would have to limit what I did because of their safety I would do it. I imagine both your parents have been running over the what might have happened over and over again and may be relieved to have the conversation as they may worry they are letting you down by admitting they can't do as much childcare as they would wish to

mumda · 27/05/2024 10:03

Get him sat down in an arm chair and give him the baby. When he's had enough take her away.

WaltzingWaters · 27/05/2024 10:17

Definitely not unreasonable. He can still hold baby whilst sitting down, or sit down with him and play. You’re not taking away being a grandparent, there’ll be plenty of things he can still do, especially as ds grows and starts crawling/walking and playing more. But you need to put DS’s safety first, and I understand your dad may be in denial about what’s happening to him, but surely he’ll want his grandchild’s safety to be paramount too, especially after this incident which could have been far worse.

Don’t listen to the sling suggestion- that seems potentially even more dangerous. Just find other ways for your dad to interact with DS.

As someone else mentioned too, you should replace the car seat following the fall.

saraclara · 27/05/2024 11:11

When we realised that my FIL was no longer a safe pair of hands, we spoke to MIL about it first. Fortunately she was very on board with our concerns (though of course she felt for him) as she absolutely adored her little DGDs and would be horrified to have them hurt a hair on their heads. She managed to have a conversation with him (which I'm sure must have been tricky) and eventually he managed to find his own role in their lives that didn't involve anything that he couldn't safely do.

But I was extraordinarily lucky in my in laws. I recognise that this might not work for everyone.

SwingingPlantar · 27/05/2024 11:17

Your dad can still be referred to the stroke team now. Both for future prevention and see if any physio etc will help.

But you are doing the right thing with no walking or carrying the baby. And the suggestion of a sling is just silly as he’ll fall and squash the baby and no one can stop that. But pushing a pram when someone else doubts the baby in sounds fine. Or bathing or changing if someone else lifts etc. And baby will soon be crawling and crawl to him and climb etc. Get a set of the padded steps for dogs to climb on the sofa and they can climb up to sit next to him to play etc

Thepartnersdesk · 27/05/2024 12:51

Can you just make sure he gets to hold him while sat down?

I don't think you specifically need to ban him but just make sure you do the lifting out of the car or down the stairs.

If you know you are going somewhere then give him to your dad while he's on the sofa and then lift him up to you to say 'right let's get ready'.

I'd imagine the fall has given him quite a shock anyway.

Thepartnersdesk · 27/05/2024 12:53

Oh I also had a hand loop for the pram that was handy. We live down a steep hill and I always worried about tripping and letting go.

Saw someone nearly do it at traffic lights down a slope. Mum let go and just grabbed in time. You can all use it so it's not just him.

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